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[Homesteaded]

Originally Posted by Jibartik [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

yes because it creates a society where people dont value the familial unit, where they postpone growing up until their 40s, where the economy becomes so fragile because everone is a gimi gimi gimi person, and we're where we're at right now.

Society is crumbling, because if you even HAVE a culture, people call you a racist.

That goes for all races, black or white or immigrant.

We're creating a system where if you dont just agree with the establishment tiktoks about entrapanurism, then you're a religious zelot.

I cant believe you anarchists dont see what is happening.

Amen brother. Things matter, choices matter. Super controversial stuff in 2022.

[starkind]

Originally Posted by Jibartik [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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Lol I'm not actually her tho.

 

*Abortion is pretty much murder.
*The government should stay out of it
*It's between the doctor and pregnant female

*murder is bad im not interested in harming people or society to stop it, there's more helpful ways of stopping murder outside man's laws. G-d's are the only laws that matter. And G-d is the only one who can truly enforce his laws. Man has not ascended or been granted such authority. Man has a lot of work and sacrifice to do first.

I don't care when you murder your babies. Society does a pretty good job of murdering the unwanted and unneeded ones. So if you deal with it early and want that on you, all the power.

Society is still at fault for murder anyways until people learn to stop being shitty and care for eachother and the earth anyway though. Ya'll have bloody hands. So few don't. Satan owns this world. So making laws to control and dominate people will always fail.

You must sacrifice and give for others to end baby murdering and the motivation behind it.

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[robayon]

Buddy, I didn't say it has no effect. I just think the forces of our entire system create way more "effect" than any amount of abortions inside the USA. Which is why I will continue to criticize anyone who claims to be "pro-life" but is also pro-military, anti-socialized healthcare, pro-capitalism et cetera. Way more death in the wake of all of that. Including babies. The state already sees all of us as expendable. I don't think any billionaires post here.

I do not understand your last two paragraphs

[Homesteaded]

Originally Posted by robayon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Buddy, I didn't say it has no effect. I just think the forces of our entire system create way more "effect" than any amount of abortions inside the USA. Which is why I will continue to criticize anyone who claims to be "pro-life" but is also pro-military, anti-socialized healthcare, pro-capitalism et cetera. Way more death in the wake of all of that. Including babies. The state already sees all of us as expendable. I don't think any billionaires post here.

I do not understand your last two paragraphs

A lefty using hypocrisy as an argument is peak delusion.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by robayon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Buddy, I didn't say it has no effect. I just think the forces of our entire system create way more "effect" than any amount of abortions inside the USA. Which is why I will continue to criticize anyone who claims to be "pro-life" but is also pro-military, anti-socialized healthcare, pro-capitalism et cetera. Way more death in the wake of all of that. Including babies. The state already sees all of us as expendable. I don't think any billionaires post here.

I do not understand your last two paragraphs

The issue here is you think you can compare something like abortion to the military. Becoming pregnant is completely within the control of the mother, with the obvious exception of the rare and terrible case of rape.

The military deals with situations that often form outside of America's control. Many times military operations are in a grey area. When we were attacked on 9/11, we could have certainly not gone to war. On the one hand that could have reduced the total number of deaths caused by war in the past 20 years. On the other hand attacks could have continued on America if we showed that we had no interest in defending ourselves.

Which scenario would save more lives? Nobody knows. But we do know that not having an abortion will save the babies life most of the time.

[starkind]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The issue here is you think you can compare something like abortion to the military. Becoming pregnant is completely within the control of the mother, with the obvious exception of the rare and terrible case of rape.

The military deals with situations that often form outside of America's control. Many times military operations are in a grey area. When we were attacked on 9/11, we could have certainly not gone to war. On the one hand that could have reduced the total number of deaths caused by war in the past 20 years. On the other hand attacks could have continued on America if we showed that we had no interest in defending ourselves.

Which scenario would save more lives? Nobody knows. But we do know that not having an abortion will save the babies life most of the time.

Until you throw it in the street or sex traffic it to Russia in order to be some politicians new handler. Great job. 👍

I say we skip the concentration camps and just recycle people. Turn em directly into jet fuel or bombs, who needs oil than?

[Jibartik]

Originally Posted by robayon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Buddy, I didn't say it has no effect. I just think the forces of our entire system create way more "effect" than any amount of abortions inside the USA. Which is why I will continue to criticize anyone who claims to be "pro-life" but is also pro-military, anti-socialized healthcare, pro-capitalism et cetera. Way more death in the wake of all of that. Including babies. The state already sees all of us as expendable. I don't think any billionaires post here.

I do not understand your last two paragraphs

Nowhere did I suggest that, or even imply that was an effect of outlawing abortion: No it creates the idea that a child is expendable and that you stay young and should work (do tiktok) until you are going through menopause and its too late to have kids.

I WILL argue that the kids who are having too much fun with their college degrees, to decide to buckle down and get a job, and work hard, is both the reason we're collapsing, and a result of the 20-40 rumbspringah melinials think life is meant to be.

I didnt, nor do I imply that its birth control, not related, not what im talking about.

I will argue that today, the kids enjoying their post college graduation, by having fun, going to bars and concerts, spending money like its free, saving nothing, not planning on their future, not looking for someone to settle down with forever, but someone to settle down with that night, is causing society to become the tiktok loving endorphans first fyrefest greedy give me more give it to me now, WORST example of what capitalism has to offer.

The destruction of even the IDEA that a 20 year old should be a parent, is causing 20 year olds to commit crime and ruin their lives.

"pro-life" but is also pro-military,

To be absolutely clear tucker carlson, and the trump fans, are staunchly anti war.

They didnt used to be, but we are now, because the other side is STRONGLY pro war. STRONGLY. I know, because I used to be on the other side, until my allies started talking crazy and my enemies started talking rationally.

I have not changed, but you can compare tucker today from tucker years ago and its a FACT he did.

[robayon]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The issue here is you think you can compare something like abortion to the military.

I can and I will. And I am also talking about systems bigger than the military, like capitalism itself. And American foreign policy. Our system murders shitloads of people, largely in other countries, to keep our goods cheap, more or less. But somehow nobody on the right wants to tangle with this fact.

Are ALL of those due to the USA alone? No, of course not. But I'll continue to criticize it from the standpoint of the USA because I am an American myself. There's blood on everyone's hands here.

[robayon]

Originally Posted by Homesteaded [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

A lefty using hypocrisy as an argument is peak delusion.

Feel free to make a cogent argument yourself, I guess, until then you're still categorized as a lazy reactionary

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by robayon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I can and I will. And I am also talking about systems bigger than the military, like capitalism itself. And American foreign policy. Our system murders shitloads of people, largely in other countries, to keep our goods cheap, more or less. But somehow nobody on the right wants to tangle with this fact.

Are ALL of those due to the USA alone? No, of course not. But I'll continue to criticize it from the standpoint of the USA because I am an American myself. There's blood on everyone's hands here.

Well you certainly have the right to be wrong[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] Freedom of speech.

But it is factually incorrect to compare the military to abortion. You are basically just saying anything with a similar outcome (death) is the same. That is nonsensical.

Logically that is like saying "Working in a factory is equal to abortion because some jobs are dangerous enough to kill you".