14 Children and Teacher Killed in Texas Elementary School Shooting

[loramin]

Originally Posted by robayon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I agree with your larger point. I think the general effects of the information age have really just exaggerated and amplified the capacity for insane violence. Any of us can pick a completely insane idea and find a group of like minded invidiuals online if we know how to search. I can't even remember how young I was when I first saw people dying on rotten.com or something linked through SA.

But I also believe American culture is extremely violent in a lot of ways, and we normalize violence in ways most cultures don't have to because we have to keep our population complacent and consuming. Panem et circenses. I think if most people saw first hand the violence it takes to give us, say, $4 tshirts at Old Navy, or $3 jars of condiments made with palm oil, they'd start to ask questions about the ethics of all of this consumer culture we have built. And the powers that be can't have that, so some of the most brutal forms of labor get outsourced so that it's out of sight and out of mind.

However, school shootings absolutely happened before Columbine. Not that you were saying they didn't, it was just more localized and information wasn't as easy to access as it is now.

https://www.ranker.com/list/scary-sc.../natalie-hazen

I don't think we have yet realized the full scope of the door we opened when we allowed the public access to the internet. Not that there's any going back, really. I feel like humanity getting the internet might have been some aliens violating a prime directive. Ugh

I think you guys are overthinking things. This isn't some cultural cliff that we've fallen off (because of Columbine or the Internet or whatever), and now it's a hopelessly complex problem; it's far more basic.

We voted in a bunch of politician who removed gun control laws. Science has shown gun control laws save lives. If we want to fix things, we need to elect politicians who pass gun control laws.

It's that simple.

[Jibartik]

There were never once any of those gun control laws in texas why did it suddenly happen now?

[starkind]

Yes he went full Anakin.

As a person who has struggled with mental illness most of my life (and many of the very dark impulses and desires that entails). It's not just the weebs who shoot schools that is the problem. And Mental Illness isn't an excuse for shooting schools. It is a real problem tho and America needs to get over holding ppl and taking away freedoms of ppl who should not be free. Because they are mentally ill. If we are going to bust up ppl for smokin weed we can bust em up for being mentally ill assholes. And we can also treet the vast majority of mentally ill ppl who are good and man enough not to go shooting up schools better.

The male hate is bullshit too. I don't care what side of the spectrum u are if u hate gays or trans ppl or straight ppl or hetro christian ppl if you hate fucking males because they are male and they don't conform to your world view whether that is queer or not and you don't enable them to go do squats and get their 2 years civil service in and go on their mission. If you are making fun of ppl or blaming them for your problems or the downfal of the country you are a fucking part of the problem for being a mouthy lil shit. Even if you are 70 or 80 or 40 yrs old. No matter ur socioeconomic bracket or how many ppl u grabbed by the pussy. Or how many icecream cones u licked.

Get fucking wrekt.

And thank G-d there are ppl like me in this world and that we want to contribute instead of shooting up schools of innocent fucking children.

YOu should grow some balls or boobs and listen up. And grow the fuck up. Listen to the ppl who wanted to shoot schools as kids and young adults and who wanted to kill every single one of you motherfuckers and grew the fuck up and did the right thing with that hatred and anger and turned it inward instead. They know what the fuck is up.

Crazy ppl and idiots and greedy lazy assholes shouldn't be free. Even the nice ones. Especially the rich ones. And anyone who wants to grab more power for themselves.

[Jibartik]

"its so simple all you have to do is have gun control"

"its so simple all you have to do is have security in every hallway"

"No taking guns is fascist"

"No having security is fascist"

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[Jibartik]

for the reccord I think a little of both is all we need.

but the problem we actually face is american exceptionalism, which causes the nicest person to think that they are donald trump and own everyone, and that everyone is a scum scuker trying to leach off of them.

it also prevents people from even budging an inch because they are the boss and because they are the boss they will NOT be doing what the other guy says, and they WILL be doing what the boss says!

Then all the bosses complain after every shooting like, "WHY ARE MY WORKERS NOT WORKNG THEY SHOULD BE FXNG THIS PROBLEM FIX IT LIKE THIS: gives stupid clueless boss idea"

everyone sucks and we all deserve what we get.

[Gustoo]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

. Science has shown gun control laws save lives

The only lives that gun control has demonstrated can be saved, are lives that are ended by guns. Most especially, handgun suicides because people suicide via epiphany and having a gun at hand makes it most convenient to act on that before something comes along and changes your mind. Other ways of killing people and killing self can be employed. In the case of killing others all the other alternatives are just as good for completing the task except if the task includes furthering a gun control anti second amendment pro big government pro authoritarian agenda. For suicides nothing beats a gun in the home though, that is your strongest and almost exclusively valuable anti-gun point, I would lean into that one. For killing children there are so many opportunities for someone with severe mental illness and literally no help whatsoever in the USA to enact their horrible acts. I don't even want to list examples on the internet, but the fact is that one can easily destroy the lives of more than 14 children and more than 1 teacher much easier than by using a gun, employing things that have zero chance of anyone trying to ban.

The most important point is that the second amendment is an anti authoritarian / tyranny provision in the constitution and for its proponents literally ANY other solution than to remove this right from US citizens is better than weakening this right. Yes, even investing in mental health care is a better solution, even to a far right leave them to rot in the street gutter curb stomping throw em in prison evil bastard. If he believes in the second amendment he would be happy to support mental health care spending rather than discuss how to cuck out to bolstering authoritarian strength.So if the left actually cared about solving this problem, they would focus on things that are actual options for more than half of the country rather than try to wedge in any further incremental degradation of this highly important bill of rights amendment

Mental health in the united states (and the world) is absolutely plummeting. This is a desirable situation for the powers that be, meaning all rich assholes because their stocks are flying high, and when we hate eachother and crawl into our corners we spend more time on "social media" becoming more insane. This progressive insanity is usually used to help sell products and for the most part it works. But for people with certain underlying issues it is too much to handle and they snap, and do things like this. But keeping people absolutely as close to suicidal levels of misery is high priority for profits so I think it is likely to continue.

Fact is that there are no facts about "gun control" increasing public safety. It goes without saying that when there are less guns that exist, less people will get killed by guns. That is 1st grade no brainer science. Just because bullets kill us less does not make us more safe.

[robayon]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If we want to fix things, we need to elect politicians who pass gun control laws.

It's that simple.

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[Elizondo]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think you guys are overthinking things. This isn't some cultural cliff that we've fallen off (because of Columbine or the Internet or whatever), and now it's a hopelessly complex problem; it's far more basic.

We voted in a bunch of politician who removed gun control laws. Science has shown gun control laws save lives. If we want to fix things, we need to elect politicians who pass gun control laws.

It's that simple.

MUH SCIENCE!

https://news.yahoo.com/maine-allows-...223008030.html

Maine allows gun owners to carry concealed weapons without permit

AUGUSTA, Maine (Reuters) - Maine will allow gun owners to carry concealed weapons without a permit, a practice called "constitutional carry" by Second Amendment advocates, under a bill signed into law on Wednesday by Republican Governor Paul LePage.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Gustoo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The only lives that gun control has demonstrated can be saved, are lives that are ended by guns.

You say that like it's a bad thing to care about victims of gun violence.

[Gustoo]

No, Elizondo that is impossible. If that law really happened in 2015 than the numbers of gun murders in Maine would SKYROCKET!!!!! Science as linked by Loramin makes it a guaranteed fact!!!!

Or wait, did people who murder people with guns ALWAYS stick them in their pockets WHENEVER THEY WANTED?! but if they did that they would be BREAKING A LAW?!?!!

I don't get it. I opt out. Guns are bad. Bads are bad. bad bad.