Best 4 person all caster/priest group

[Kich867]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I know people think I argued that, since I simply asked for some data lol (big sin for some reason here). The post history is there for anybody who thinks this is wrong.

I was addressing this:

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist

If you think a Warrior at level 24 is going to lose a large chunk of DPS by fighting a level 22 mob, just show the parse. I can tell you they won't [...]

In response to your initial parse against a mob ~8 levels lower than you.

My point is that you do, even at that level, lose a pretty noticeable amount of DPS. Maybe not if you're as geared as your character is, perhaps having enough Strength offsets it, but I don't think a single parse demonstrates that well enough.

The difference between being 3, 4, or 5 levels above a mob is pretty substantial. Being consistently 5 levels above this mob my average TTK was ~70s, being somewhere between 3-5 levels above this mob my average TTK was ~85s, and if I were to filter it to the ones I can confirm are 3 levels below me the TTK is much closer to ~100s.

The amount of times I miss a mob 3 levels below me compared to a mob 5 levels below me is significantly higher when it's 3 levels below me. And the amount of times I hit is significantly higher, indicating that I'm hitting for far less on average against these mobs because I'm not high rolling them as often.

I think it's misleading to suggest that you don't lose much DPS fighting things only a few levels below you, especially since you can have some seriously swingy fights--some of my parses involve lucky strings of crits that are counterbalanced by unlucky fights where I miss a lot over the course of 100 or so parses. In your own parse you did substantially more DPS against a higher level enemy than you did against a low level enemy, which to me would suggest thats an outlier.

[cyxthryth]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

like 8 people are trolling an autistic person

You are baselessly & ceaselessly claiming that others are trolling hehe. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] Others are not trolls just because you think they are or claim that they are. You can choose to type whatever you wish and feel however you want, it will not change this fact.

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

These 8 people can't even provide basic evidence for their own claims lol.

No. I have provided all the relevant/requested data. You should try it some time instead of conceding silently in the corner with your head hung hehe while I continue to state facts that you are unable to refute and pose questions you are too ashamed to answer. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

you haven't even been able to prove your own case beyond "I am right, and you are wrong".

You have not even attempted to prove your case hehe. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] All you can do is call me a troll and sit conceding silently in your corner. I submit this entire thread as my evidence, and you have yet to provide counterevidence despite multiple direct requests hehe. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No evidence to support this.

All I can do is re-state the facts in continued effort to attempt to continue the discussion(s) in a civil manner. The ball is in DSM's court.

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

as the data shows

Originally Posted by cyxthryth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You called me "silly" when you were backed into a corner by my replies to you on the below thread too, and you stopped replying (like a little bitch): https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...401629&page=37.

How's it going in that corner you've been backed into?

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I am maintaining civility in this discussion, and my position is founded on hard evidence. The only insults I throw are thrown in defense.

Originally Posted by cyxthryth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No, you have not maintained civility in this discussion.

I have maintained civility in my posts to you - in which I have ONLY stated facts and asked questions - and despite my civility you have (repeatedly) called me a troll, called me silly, accused me of doing/posting things I have not done/posted, and meanwhile have continued to ignore my simple questions and avoided responding to the many facts I've stated. I present both of our posts - from this thread and elsewhere - as evidence of my civility, and you have provided no counterevidence despite me requesting you provide it (multiple times).

Why do you opt out of partaking in a civil discussion with me, and meanwhile claim that you are maintaining civility in this discussion (yet choose to continue to call me names for [seemingly] no reason)?


Why do you feel the need to "defend yourself" from any of the facts I have stated or questions I have asked?

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Kich867 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I was addressing this:



In response to your initial parse against a mob ~8 levels lower than you.

My point is that you do, even at that level, lose a pretty noticeable amount of DPS. Maybe not if you're as geared as your character is, perhaps having enough Strength offsets it, but I don't think a single parse demonstrates that well enough.

The difference between being 3, 4, or 5 levels above a mob is pretty substantial. Being consistently 5 levels above this mob my average TTK was ~70s, being somewhere between 3-5 levels above this mob my average TTK was ~85s, and if I were to filter it to the ones I can confirm are 3 levels below me the TTK is much closer to ~100s.

The amount of times I miss a mob 3 levels below me compared to a mob 5 levels below me is significantly higher when it's 3 levels below me. And the amount of times I hit is significantly higher, indicating that I'm hitting for far less on average against these mobs because I'm not high rolling them as often.

I think it's misleading to suggest that you don't lose much DPS fighting things only a few levels below you, especially since you can have some seriously swingy fights--some of my parses involve lucky strings of crits that are counterbalanced by unlucky fights where I miss a lot over the course of 100 or so parses. In your own parse you did substantially more DPS against a higher level enemy than you did against a low level enemy, which to me would suggest thats an outlier.

I have shown that I didn't lose a large amount of DPS, and not enough to be below the charmed pet, which was the point. Even if the average shakes out to something closer to 19 DPS, that doesn't mean the charmed pet has some sort of heavy advantage.

I 100% agree more data would be better to get the true averages, but the same argument can be made for the pet DPS. It will have highs and lows too.

I am just giving out some quick data that I acquired to disprove obviously silly claims like a low level charmed pet is going to "massively" out-DPS a low level Warrior. If the warrior has low gear like yourself, this may be true. But the reality is most people can afford some minor twink gear (2k is a small sum of money), so I think it is not reasonable to make this assumption unless the thread is specifically talking about making a "self-found only" group.

The reality is I have given out way more data than all of the opposition combined, and it's never enough. They will not believe hours of parse data or a single parse hehe. It's much easier to just say "I am right because other people agree with me".

[cd288]

I would love to see if we can keep this dude ranting until 200+ pages lol

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by cd288 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I would love to see if we can keep this dude ranting until 200+ pages lol

Yup, there it is. You know you are wrong, you just want to troll[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Troxx]

As you typically love to do you posted one log of one fight and parade it around as data/evidence. If you’re so confident your data is accurate why not do an aggregate of multiple fights? You know like 5-10 fights? Why not have the charming mob fighting the same mob/type level as the warrior?

Why didn’t you join a fast paced group for an hour or two like we asked you? Why not do that and aggregate the data for an extended session? Why did you just post single fight logs of you root rotting a level 40 frog as a substitute?

Too much work?
Scared of the results?

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Remember that GIF? I tossed it out there a few times when I challenged you to prove what you could do in a fast paced group. I stopped legitimately having a discussion with you the moment I threw down the gauntlet and laid out the ground rules and you refused or just changed directions.

You didn’t have the balls to nut up.
You lack the humility to shut up like most non-autistic cowards would do in similar circumstances.

Such a tool

[cyxthryth]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I have shown that I didn't lose a large amount of DPS,

You "have shown" that you are disingenuous about what normal people (read: the rest of us; everybody except for you) would consider to be a "large amount". I submit your posts in this thread, particularly (but not limited to) regarding the DPS difference between Shaman and Mage as my evidence hehe. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The reality is I have given out way more data than all of the opposition combined, and it's never enough. They will not believe hours of parse data or a single parse hehe. .

The reality is that you thinking something does not make it a fact, and your thoughts do not and can not refute or change the actual/true facts hehe. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] You can type whatever you wish and feel however you feel, it is not going to change this.

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's much easier to just say "I am right because other people agree with me"

You have provided no evidence that anybody has made that claim. What has ACTUALLY been claimed is visible in this thread's post history, viewable by all.

All I can do is re-state the facts in continued effort to attempt to continue the discussion(s) in a civil manner. The ball is in DSM's court.

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

as the data shows

Originally Posted by cyxthryth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You called me "silly" when you were backed into a corner by my replies to you on the below thread too, and you stopped replying (like a little bitch): https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...401629&page=37.

How's it going in that corner you've been backed into?

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I am maintaining civility in this discussion, and my position is founded on hard evidence. The only insults I throw are thrown in defense.

Originally Posted by cyxthryth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No, you have not maintained civility in this discussion.

I have maintained civility in my posts to you - in which I have ONLY stated facts and asked questions - and despite my civility you have (repeatedly) called me a troll, called me silly, accused me of doing/posting things I have not done/posted, and meanwhile have continued to ignore my simple questions and avoided responding to the many facts I've stated. I present both of our posts - from this thread and elsewhere - as evidence of my civility, and you have provided no counterevidence despite me requesting you provide it (multiple times).

Why do you opt out of partaking in a civil discussion with me, and meanwhile claim that you are maintaining civility in this discussion (yet choose to continue to call me names for [seemingly] no reason)?


Why do you feel the need to "defend yourself" from any of the facts I have stated or questions I have asked?

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

As you typically love to do you posted one log of one fight and parade it around as data/evidence. If you’re so confident your data is accurate why not do an aggregate of multiple fights? You know like 5-10 fights? Why not have the charming mob fighting the same mob/type level as the warrior?

Why didn’t you join a fast paced group for an hour or two like we asked you? Why not do that and aggregate the data for an extended session? Why did you just post single fight logs of you root rotting a level 40 frog as a substitute?

Too much work?
Scared of the results?

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Remember that GIF? I tossed it out there a few times when I challenged you to prove what you could do in a fast paced group. I stopped legitimately having a discussion with you the moment I threw down the gauntlet and laid out the ground rules and you refused or just changed directions.

You didn’t have the balls to nut up.
You lack the humility to shut up like most non-autistic cowards would do in similar circumstances.

Such a tool

If you are so confident you are right, please post data you claim isn't from a faulty parser.

I have video evidence with logs. You have nothing but faulty data. You need to provide better evidence first lol.

This is your flaw. For some reason you believe that you don't need to provide evidence, everybody else does.

[PlsNoBan]

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

As you typically love to do you posted one log of one fight and parade it around as data/evidence. If you’re so confident your data is accurate why not do an aggregate of multiple fights? You know like 5-10 fights? Why not have the charming mob fighting the same mob/type level as the warrior?

Why didn’t you join a fast paced group for an hour or two like we asked you? Why not do that and aggregate the data for an extended session? Why did you just post single fight logs of you root rotting a level 40 frog as a substitute?

Too much work?
Scared of the results?

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Remember that GIF? I tossed it out there a few times when I challenged you to prove what you could do in a fast paced group. I stopped legitimately having a discussion with you the moment I threw down the gauntlet and laid out the ground rules and you refused or just changed directions.

You didn’t have the balls to nut up.
You lack the humility to shut up like most non-autistic cowards would do in similar circumstances.

Such a tool

He literally cherrypicks data using variables that favor his chosen argument and repeats it over and over then is surprised when nobody gives it any weight. If he isn't actually mentally challenged this is the stupidest human being I've ever conversed with.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by PlsNoBan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

He literally cherrypicks data using variables that favor his chosen argument and repeats it over and over then is surprised when nobody gives it any weight. If he isn't actually mentally challenged this is the stupidest human being I've ever conversed with.

You literally have zero data and think it's better, and are surprised when people disagree with you.