Another reason entitlements need to go bye-bye

[Asher]

Originally Posted by Cyrano [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Healthcare reform affects too many people's lives in the business sector to expect them to shut up when they're seeing their livelihood change in the course of a few months. You act as if the insurance companies have the government in their pocket but it's one of the few industries where they are only allowed to make a certain percentage of profit per entity. Think about that, if you owned a car part store and the government said you could only make 4% profit over your total operational cost it would be infuriating.

I realize you don't feel this way but I don't feel people should be profiting off of other peoples illnesses. Everyone needs or will need healthcare at some point in their life and everyone should have healthcare. I realize it will probably never happen in the US but healthcare should be nationalized.

Allowing people to destroy their bodies, not carry insurance and let problems fester until they are eligible for the Medicare gravy train isn't good either. Insurance should be manditory for everyone to make it work so problems can be prevented and not have the burden passed on to medicare.

The only way it shouldn't be manditory is if we as a society decide it is acceptible to let people die if they cannot afford the costs of the healthcare they need. You don't carry insurance and you get shot why the hell should I have to pay for you to get healed when you should have had it in the first place. You rolled the dice and lost.

Asher

[Ihealyou]

Originally Posted by Loke [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Uuur, does that chart at all concern you when you consider the fact that the Federal Reserve Bank is essentially a quasi-private organization that has not been audited in over 9 years? Just curious.

It doesn't bother me. The fed buys US debt to control the money supply, and considering that we're seeing low levels of inflation, I don't feel that they hold an inordinate amount of US debt.

As far as auditing goes, it would be nice to see what the fed is doing, but I don't believe they're abusing their powers. Right now I trust the fed more than politicians.

[purist]

This morning I was awoken by my alarm clock powered by electricity generated by the public power monopoly regulated by the US Department of Energy.

I then took a shower in the clean water provided by the municipal water utility. Then, I brushed my teeth with that water, filtered to standards set by the EPA and my state.

After that, I turned on the TV to one of the FCC regulated channels to see what the National Weather Service of the National Oceanographic and Atmospheric Administration determined the weather was going to be like using satellites designed, built, and launched by the National Aeronautics and Space Administration. I watched this while eating my breakfast of US Department of Agriculture inspected food and taking the drugs which have been determined as safe by the Food and Drug Administration.

At the appropriate time as regulated by the US Congress and kept accurate by the National Institute of Standards and Technology and the US Naval Observatory, I get into my National Highway Traffic Safety Administration approved automobile and set out to work on the roads built by the local, state, and federal Departments of Transportation, possibly stopping to purchase additional fuel of a quality level determined by the Environmental Protection Agency, using legal tender issued by the Federal Reserve Bank and printed by the Federal Bureau of Engraving and Printing. On the way out the door I deposit any mail I have to be sent out via the US Postal Service and drop the kids off at the public school.

I park my car on the street, paved and maintained by the Department of Transportation, and put quarters issued by the United States Mint into the parking meter.

Then, after spending another day not being maimed or killed at work thanks to the workplace regulations imposed by the Department of Labor and the Occupational Safety and Health Administration, I drive back to my house which has not burned down in my absence because of the state and local building codes and the fire marshal's inspection, and which has not been plundered of all its valuables thanks to the local police department.

I then log onto the Internet which was developed by the Defense Advanced Research Projects Administration and post on freerepublic and fox news forums about how SOCIALISM in medicine is BAD because the government can't do anything right. Keep government out of my Medicare!

[Pico]

excellent post that will be ignored

[Salty]

Originally Posted by Pico [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

excellent post that will be ignored

http://www.google.com/search?sourcei...ment+of+Energy.

[purist]

Originally Posted by Salty [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

http://www.google.com/search?sourcei...ment+of+Energy.

no shit

[deakolt]

i'm entitled to phat loots on this free server,

what, what motherfuckas

TOO BIG

[Cyrano]

Originally Posted by Asher [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I realize you don't feel this way but I don't feel people should be profiting off of other peoples illnesses. Everyone needs or will need healthcare at some point in their life and everyone should have healthcare. I realize it will probably never happen in the US but healthcare should be nationalized.

Allowing people to destroy their bodies, not carry insurance and let problems fester until they are eligible for the Medicare gravy train isn't good either. Insurance should be manditory for everyone to make it work so problems can be prevented and not have the burden passed on to medicare.

The only way it shouldn't be manditory is if we as a society decide it is acceptible to let people die if they cannot afford the costs of the healthcare they need. You don't carry insurance and you get shot why the hell should I have to pay for you to get healed when you should have had it in the first place. You rolled the dice and lost.

Asher

I agree that every person should have healthcare, but even more so I think everyone should be responsible for purchasing and maintaining their own insurance for when healthcare is necessary. To me it goes back to a lack of personal accountability and the government showcases that reckless spending is an acceptable lifestyle. If we all managed our home finances the same way the government does we'd be bankrupt or in jail. Why worry about debt when you can just shrug it off on future generations or rely on the government to bail you out?

Back to healthcare, I'm with you on those points but I don't think that insurance shouldn't be a profitable industry. That profession is about taking risks on people's health while, at the same time, offering a stop loss cap for the people who actually need it. To me that's a fair trade and I don't think employers should be forced to provide that peace of mind. It should be an incentive offered at the employer's discretion to make certain positions more attractive. Forcing them to provide it, or pay fines, is going to result in the loss of jobs which is going to put more strain on welfare programs.

I don't think there is an umbrella approach to fixing anything, but I think the citizens of America need to begin holding our government and elected officials responsible for their massive spending issues. If that means pulling out of war zones, cutting government jobs or benefits, raising taxes in some areas, etc. I'm all for it but there HAS to be some compromise and right now no one in Washington seems willing or capable of that.

[Pico]

Originally Posted by Salty [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

http://www.google.com/search?sourcei...ment+of+Energy.

i've seen it before, so let me reiterate

Originally Posted by Pico [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

excellent post that will be ignored

[Misto]

Social security was meant to be a supplemental income supply to be used with your retirement. However, the majority of Americans don't put 10 to 15% of their paycheck in a retirement account or invest their money at all.

Some people live off social security.