Best 4 person all caster/priest group

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by cyxthryth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It would absolutely mean THAT particular mage performed lower Damage Per Second than THAT particular Shaman in THAT particular instance.

Agreed. But that says nothing about the class's capabilities. It would still be factually true that Rogues are generally considered to be the highest average DPS class on P99, even if all of the Rogues on the server sucked and were out-DPSed by Shamans every time.

I already showed how your gaslighting of my comments is incorrect and poorly executed https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...postcount=4165 . You aren't making your case any stronger by constant reposting those quotes. It just makes you look silly.

[cyxthryth]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Agreed. But that says nothing about the class's capabilities. It would still be factually true that Rogues do more DPS than other classes most of the time, even if all of the Rogues on the server sucked and were out-DPSed by Shamans every time.

Yes, a shitty player will probably have a shitty parse, but that is not news to anybody in this thread and is not particularly relevant to the discussion.... unless... WAIT!

Are you low-key insinuating that you have refused to provide parses of yourself playing your Shaman in an environment relevant to this thread, simply because, you are afraid that might expose that you as a PLAYER simply CANNOT perform as you have fervently/adamantly argued that THE SHAMAN CLASS can; and possibly even NO PLAYER can perform on the Shaman class in the way you have fervently/adamantly argued it that could for tens? hundreds of posts?

Does this all basically boil down to You vs. Everyone "comparing Apples to Oranges" simply because you are choosing to act like there will be NO players actually piloting the characters in this hypothetical group - which is an unrealistic and laughable specification for you to attempt to apply to the conversation when OP did NOT specify any - is that what's going on here?

Can you please explain for the understanding of myself and the rest of the posters/participants and passersby who read this thread and for the sake of civil discussion, why/how the following - direct - Quotes are "not contradictory"?

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Assuming your group plays correctly, you will DPS the same way every time, the same as if you were solo.

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I am very confident it won't change in a group scenario.

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

in a group setting, there are too many variables out of your control that can skew the data

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Once you add in outside variables, that changes the DPS equation NOT because of what the class can do, but because of what other players are doing.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by cyxthryth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Are you low-key insinuating that you have refused to provide parses of yourself playing your Shaman in an environment relevant to this thread, simply because, you are afraid that might expose that you as a PLAYER simply CANNOT perform as you have fervently/adamantly argued that THE SHAMAN CLASS can; and possibly even NO PLAYER can perform on the Shaman class in the way you have fervently/adamantly argued it that could for tens? hundreds of posts?

I am not afraid of that at all. The "standard of evidence" in this thread is an incorrect pixelated screenshot of a DPS parse in a single group. It is silly to think people who have been trolling me for hundreds of pages are going to believe me if I posted a pixelated screenshot of a DPS parse in a single group showing a Shaman doing respectable DPS.

If my detractors want to actually group up and get video recorded with me, that would be great! This would really be the only way to actually prove this one way or another, because neither party can make excuses if they are both present in the group.

So far nobody has seriously taken up this offer.

I am responding to you for the sake of people who haven't read this thread, not because you are saying anything new. It is clear you are trolling, just as you have been for the last 300+ posts.

[cyxthryth]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I am not afraid of that at all. The "standard of evidence" in this thread is an incorrect pixelated screenshot of a DPS parse in a single group. It is silly to think people who have been trolling me for hundreds of pages are going to believe me if I posted a pixelated screenshot of a DPS parse in a single group showing a Shaman doing respectable DPS.

If my detractors want to actually group up and get video recorded with me, that would be great! This would really be the only way to actually prove this one way or another, because neither party can make excuses if they are both present in the group.

So far nobody has seriously taken up this offer.

Sorry, but I am not sure how the above Quote addresses the remaining content of my previous Post, therefore, I will re-post it and await your response:

Does this all basically boil down to You vs. Everyone "comparing Apples to Oranges" simply because you are choosing to act like there will be NO players actually piloting the characters in this hypothetical group - which is an unrealistic and laughable specification for you to attempt to apply to the conversation when OP did NOT specify any - is that what's going on here?

Can you please explain - in detail - for the understanding of myself and the rest of the posters/participants and passersby who read this thread and for the sake of civil discussion, why/how the following - direct - Quotes are "not contradictory"?

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Assuming your group plays correctly, you will DPS the same way every time, the same as if you were solo.

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I am very confident it won't change in a group scenario.

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

in a group setting, there are too many variables out of your control that can skew the data

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Once you add in outside variables, that changes the DPS equation NOT because of what the class can do, but because of what other players are doing.

[bcbrown]

Originally Posted by Gloomlord [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I hope the people who were polite see you for what you truly are now. I hope I've vindicated myself to all the people who said I went too far.

Nope you're still obnoxious, and you still do nothing but make insults.

I wish you'd stop posting in this thread. You're not helping anything.

[Toxigen]

Guys, in DSM's world adding a 3rd enc to enc/enc/cleric doesn't add any dps.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Toxigen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Guys, in DSM's world adding a 3rd enc to enc/enc/cleric doesn't add any dps.

I am not saying that. Nice strawman. I am saying DPS does not always translate to more kills per hour, which is true.

A group killing 20 mobs in 10 minutes and then waiting 20 minutes for respawns is getting the same XP per hour as a group killing 20 mobs in 15 minutes and then waiting 15 minutes for respawns.

This is why you don't typically see 6 man XP groups. The added DPS of 2-3 more players is not offsetting the XP loss each group member is getting.

[Toxigen]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I am not saying that. Nice strawman. I am saying DPS does not always translate to more kills per hour, which is true.

A group killing 20 mobs in 10 minutes and then waiting 30 minutes for respawns is getting the same experience per hour as a group killing 20 mobs in 15 minutes and then waiting 30 minutes for respawns.

This is why you don't typically see 6 man XP groups. The added DPS of 2-3 more players is not offsetting the XP loss each group member is getting.

Sure, if you're leveling in CoM / KC during peak hours not during a quake.

If you're a pre-made group like this, you're likely gonna be in places where there are tons of mobs. If you're mob-capped in a static premade, ya doin it wrong.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Toxigen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sure, if you're leveling in CoM / KC during peak hours not during a quake.

If you're a pre-made group like this, you're likely gonna be in places where there are tons of mobs. If you're mob-capped in a static premade, ya doin it wrong.

You could provide an example and we can count how many mobs you can do, and then extrapolate the DPS requirements.

There are also external factors, like how popular the zone is. You aren't going to be pulling half way across the zone when another group is going to get trained because of that.

[Crede]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I am not saying that. Nice strawman. I am saying DPS does not always translate to more kills per hour, which is true.

A group killing 20 mobs in 10 minutes and then waiting 20 minutes for respawns is getting the same XP per hour as a group killing 20 mobs in 15 minutes and then waiting 15 minutes for respawns.

This is why you don't typically see 6 man XP groups. The added DPS of 2-3 more players is not offsetting the XP loss each group member is getting.

So you’re thinking about dps wrong.

Let me explain. Dps isn’t just about xp per hour. You’re valuing this too much in this discussion. If you want to maximize xp per hour, an optimized duo is typically best.

There are other less obvious advantages to more dps. The quicker you kill something, the more time you can rest. Player fatigue is real, as we being humans have various reasons to need breaks. More dps can also mean The less chance something goes wrong and potentially rng kills you. Or it allows you to go after more mobs. You can kill a ww dragon quicker for example, and then move onto something else.

OP did not specify whether best meant xp per hour or something else. So we have to look at the full spectrum of what more dps can bring. There’s almost no downside to having more dps as long as utility is met. This is why a mage is better than a shaman in this group. There’s no shortage of utility here.