Post here every time you are disappointed by no Green 2.0 news

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Crede [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I can save you 400+ pages if you want.

He thinks shamans can compete with mages in group dps. Also thinks they’re better than clerics as a group healer at 60.

The evidence he’s provided thus far was a random solo video and a group video doing about 15 dps over 2 hours.

Crede is providing strawmen because he cannot provide evidence. It is one of the many reasons this thread https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...d.php?t=406923 has gone on so long. He's usually reasonable in other threads, so I am not sure why he keeps doing it.

He cannot seem to accept that a duo/trio/four player group is killing things that are mostly tankable with Slow/Torpor, which is why a Cleric isn't required for a group like that. Shaman/Enchanter/Monk is a very strong trio, as an example.

The point of this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jG1Aat1XdbI wasn't to show maximum DPS potential of a Shaman, which he would know if he actually read the thread. He often times doesn't based on what he posts. It is to show that you can use a solo video like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XwiGKTuu2E to mimic group DPS and provide an accurate example of a specific class's DPS.

The idea that you couldn't use a solo video to show class DPS was one of key reasons for this thread containing hundreds of pages of trolling with things like gifs.

I am not sure why Crede thinks a pickup group with a 54 Necromancer and a 57 Enchanter in HS west is going to be an example of a maximum efficiency level 60 group. I certainly never said that.

I have provided multiple videos and math examples for my claims, while he still provides nothing.

[Crede]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Crede is providing strawmen because he cannot provide evidence. It is one of the many reasons this thread https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...d.php?t=406923 has gone on so long. He's usually reasonable in other threads, so I am not sure why he keeps doing it.

He cannot seem to accept that a duo/trio/four player group is killing things that are mostly tankable with Slow/Torpor, which is why a Cleric isn't required for a group like that. Shaman/Enchanter/Monk is a very strong trio, as an example.

The point of this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jG1Aat1XdbI wasn't to show maximum DPS potential of a Shaman, which he would know if he actually read the thread. He often times doesn't based on what he posts. It is to show that you can use a solo video like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XwiGKTuu2E to mimic group DPS and provide an accurate example of a specific class's DPS.

The idea that you couldn't use a solo video to show class DPS was one of key reasons for hundreds of pages of trolling.

I am not sure why Crede thinks a pickup group with a 54 Necromancer and a 57 Enchanter in HS west is going to be an example of a maximum efficiency level 60 group. I certainly never said that.

I have provided multiple videos and math examples for my claims, while he still provides nothing.

Notice all the irrelevance.

He Talks around everything except the fact that his shaman failed to even remotely output dps in a group as was requested very early on in the thread. Also failed to show how shamans are worthy of adding in place of a cleric, when the other group members can easily fill the role of a shaman.

So just wanted to warn you of what to expect.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Crede [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Notice all the irrelevance.

He Talks around everything except the fact that his shaman failed to even remotely output dps in a group as was requested very early on in the thread. Also failed to show how shamans are worthy of adding in place of a cleric, when the other group members can easily fill the role of a shaman.

So just wanted to warn you of what to expect.

As you can see, he still doesn't understand the reason for the video I posted. He cannot seem to be bothered to read a succinct summary.

He also continues to keep asking for evidence, while providing none of his own. I have provided plenty of video and math examples, which he hasn't been able to rebut yet.

This is the theme of that thread. Posters like Crede will simply keep saying that all evidence provided is irrelevant as an excuse for why they don't need to provide their own evidence.

[Crede]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

As you can see, he still doesn't understand the reason for the video I posted. He cannot seem to be bothered to read a succinct summary.

He also continues to keep asking for evidence, while providing none of his own. I have provided plenty of video and math examples, which he hasn't been able to rebut yet.

This is the theme of that thread. Posters like Crede will simply keep saying that all evidence provided is irrelevant as an excuse for why they don't need to provide their own evidence.

Notice how he continuously tries to play victim, while, yet, still providing no actual evidence that a shaman can output mage group dps or provide more use than a cleric when the group already has 2 enchanters and someone to mala.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Crede [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Notice how he continuously tries to play victim, while, yet, still providing no actual evidence that a shaman can output mage group dps or provide more use than a cleric when the group already has 2 enchanters and someone to mala.

I am not playing the victim. You are doing what I said you would do.

You need to provide a video showing how well this group will do. I am willing to hop on my Shaman and play in that version of the group. You never commit to this, and I fail to see the reason why.

I will be happy to admit I am wrong if you can provide something other than proclaiming all evidence you disagree with is invalid simply because you wish it to be so.

[cd288]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Hello! I am "DSM".

376/421 of Gloomlords posts are basically trolling this thread https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...d.php?t=406923 . He appears to be angry at me because I disagree with him. He will tell you I am the troll, but you can look at both of our post histories and make a decision for yourself. Welcome to the forums!

Can you stfu and stick to your 400 page thread where you've been proven wrong? Don't turn other threads into your BS

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by cd288 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Can you stfu and stick to your 400 page thread where you've been proven wrong? Don't turn other threads into your BS

Gloomlord is the one who brought it up in this thread. Not sure why you are complaining to me. Also, you haven't proven me wrong there yet.

[cd288]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Gloomlord is the one who brought it up in this thread. Not sure why you are complaining to me. Also, you haven't proven me wrong there yet.

Thx. Go back to your troll thread pls...wouldn't want to risk a suspension from the staff for spamming other threads.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by cd288 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Thx. Go back to your troll thread pls...wouldn't want to risk a suspension from the staff for spamming other threads.

You're not spamming threads by posting nonsense like this?[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] I am not sure why it is my "troll thread", when you can clearly see the hundreds of pages of gif posting and troll talk are from other posters, not myself.

[Ripqozko]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You're not spamming threads by posting nonsense like this?[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] I am not sure why it is my "troll thread", when you can clearly see the hundreds of pages of gif posting and troll talk are from other posters, not myself.

This is the future of kittens, yikes. App kittens and get a free DSM.