sk starting points

[Troxx]

Originally Posted by Lune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Because he's a young doctor.

I just turned 40. Not sure if that qualifies me for a “young doctor” title lol

(Yes I get the p99 historical reference. That thread was funny as hell)

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not 4 dps (mine) vs 3dps (yours) difference.

It’s 16% (my findings) vs 4.3% (your findings) difference.

If you haste a 100dps pet by 16% you now have a 116 dps pet.
If you haste a 100dps pet by 4.3% you now have a 104.3% dps pet.

I used a crappy hate 1hs. It was boosted by 16% with 20str
You used a NToV 2hs. It was boosted by 4.3% with 20str

In no conceivable way were my results favorable to you. If accurate, it would be the final nail in your coffins argument.

Thankfully I’m an honest enough guy to truthfully (and up front) point all the problems with the data set I gathered.

How do you explain that the raw difference in DPS was similar (3 vs. 4). Are you claiming this is coincidence? You haven't explained why you are assuming the percentage difference is the correct number, and not the raw number.

If more data was provided, and we saw a consistent 3-4 raw DPS difference, what would you say then?

[Troxx]

If I use a weapon that does 25 dps unbuffed and 20 str gives me 16% more damage - now I’m doing 29dps (a 4 dps difference).

If I am using my Greatspear of Dawn which gives me 65dps white damage unbuffed and 20 more strength gives me 16% more damage - that would give me 75.4 dps (a 10.4 dps difference)

The weapon you are using affects baseline dps ….

[Troxx]

Sorry guys I don’t have a certification in educating special needs kids.

Am I making sense here to literally anyone other than DSM?

Or am I smoking crack?

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If I use a weapon that does 25 dps unbuffed and 20 str gives me 16% more damage - now I’m doing 29dps (a 4 dps difference).

If I am using my Greatspear of Dawn which gives me 65dps white damage unbuffed and 20 more strength gives me 16% more damage - that would give me 75.4 dps (a 10.4 dps difference)

The weapon you are using affects baseline dps ….

You do understand that you havent actually shown a 16% DPS difference with great spear of dawn when removing 20STR, right?

You are literally pulling this out of thin air. You haven't provided a parse.

[Lune]

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sorry guys I don’t have a certification in educating special needs kids.

Am I making sense here to literally anyone other than DSM?

Or am I smoking crack?

Yes I was explaining the same concept to him with my theorycrafting

[Troxx]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You do understand that you havent actually shown a 16% DPS difference with great spear of dawn when removing 20STR, right?

You are literally pulling this out of thin air. You haven't provided a parse.

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[Troxx]

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

For strictly theoretical purposes let’s assume that …

-DSM’s level 5 turtle parses are universally true.
-20 str results in 4.3% more dps
-4.3% dps means mobs die when soloing 4.3% faster

Would you, as a:
-new sk with EC gear
-playing a race with very low starting strength
-playing a race universally hated across Norrath
-resulting in rarely having a friendly vendor or banker around you

Would you rather have 4.3% more dps and 20 pounds worth of loot/coin hauling capacity or 20 more intelligence which results in pitifully nothing more mana at 9 scaling up eventually to 200 more mana at 60?

Knowing that:
-without raid gear you might be lucky to have 140- 160 unbuffed str at 60
-stamina will remain low-ish
-as such as a sk you won’t ever cap str without maniacal str (must be cast first) and focus (must be cast second) stack
-and that 200 more maximum mana pool means little to nothing while your ability recover mana (med, clarity, FT, PoTg) will have a huge impact on how many mana-actions you can take over time.

Discuss.

Back to the topic at hand.

Thoughts?

[Lune]

Yea this got brought up on like page 3 and beyond. Don't you know you might be able to cast another lifetap or two at 60?

Kinda regretting putting as much stam as I did into my current dark elf lol

[Ripqozko]

Originally Posted by Lune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yea this got brought up on like page 3 and beyond. Don't you know you might be able to cast another lifetap or two at 60?

Kinda regretting putting as much stam as I did into my current dark elf lol

i still dont cap on my dark elf [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] in a piece or 2 i will but still took while. let me magelo

edit: https://wiki.project1999.com/Magelo_Blue:Mintmochi_new