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[DeathsSilkyMist]

I made a 1 handed video with the turtle:

This is using Frostwrath at 34% worn haste.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5ouLQOBAoE

Test 01 - At 231 STR, I did 39167 damage over 603 seconds = 64.9 DPS (no ripostes)
Test 02 - At 210 STR, I did 38969 damage over 595 seconds = 65.4 DPS (no ripostes)
DPS difference = -0.5 DPS

Funnily enough, I gained 0.5 DPS after removing 20 STR lol. It just goes to show that RNG can be fickle sometimes.

With my 2 handed video:

This is using Ancient Fire Etched Flamberge with 34% worn haste.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Py96jk2NflU

Test 01 - At 210 STR, I did 37,794 damage over 561 seconds = 67.3 DPS (no ripostes)
Test 02 - At 231 STR, I did 37,303 damage over 531 seconds = 70.25 DPS (no ripostes)
DPS difference = 2.95 DPS

I have a total of ~40 minutes of hitting the turtle, and so far my average DPS with +20 STR is basically 1.5 DPS due to my 1H test providing a 0 DPS difference.

I am still not impressed with the +20 STR for your starting stats.

Originally Posted by Ripqozko [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

i still dont cap on my dark elf [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] in a piece or 2 i will but still took while. let me magelo

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Nice Magelo! That is a very well geared SK. I always laugh at Hobarts, because one time Aftermath got 3 Hobarts from a single Vulak.

[Ripqozko]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I made a 1 handed video with the turtle:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5ouLQOBAoE

At 231 STR, I did 39167 damage over 603 seconds = 64.9 DPS (no ripostes)
At 210 STR, I did 38969 damage over 595 seconds = 65.4 DPS (no ripostes)
DPS difference = -0.5 DPS

Funnily enough, I gained 0.5 DPS after removing 20 STR lol. It just goes to show that RNG can be fickle sometimes.

With my 2 handed video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Py96jk2NflU

At 231 STR, I did 37,794 damage over 561 seconds = 67.3 DPS (no ripostes)
At 210 STR, I did 37,303 damage over 531 seconds = 70.25 DPS (no ripostes)
DPS difference = 2.95 DPS

I have a total of roughly 40 minutes of hitting the turtle, and so far my average DPS with +20 STR is basically 1.5 DPS, considering my 1H test provided a 0 DPS difference.

I am still not impressed with the +20 STR for your starting stats.



Nice Magelo! That is a very well geared SK. I always laugh at Hobarts, because one time Aftermath got 3 Hobarts from a single Vulak.

Yea I was there, I was in AM for years

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Ripqozko [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yea I was there, I was in AM for years

I was there too. That was a fun time, back before rooted dragons.

[Jimjam]

Dsm i think your turtle logs may be showing that your attack is completely squelching turtle’s defence (always rolling high - thereby removing the DI variable we are trying to measure).

It’s too laboratory mob. You need to be using something that is applicable to levelling.Troxx does a bit better on this (assuming his top secret skeleton is a fair representation kf an xp mob) but really we need to level a knight to like 30 but not train double attack or riposte so we can eliminate some variables and look at how the average hit improves rather than dps.

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If I use a weapon that does 25 dps unbuffed and 20 str gives me 16% more damage - now I’m doing 29dps (a 4 dps difference).

If I am using my Greatspear of Dawn which gives me 65dps white damage unbuffed and 20 more strength gives me 16% more damage - that would give me 75.4 dps (a 10.4 dps difference)

The weapon you are using affects baseline dps ….

Are you certain it would be a similar proportional difference? Obviously str influences the size of the Di component and weights the d20 in favour of rolling higher, but it doesn’t improve damage bonus. Proportionally how much of dps is db for something like a greatspear (excellent) compared to a hate 1hander (good)?

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Are you certain it would be a similar proportional difference? Obviously str influences the size of the Di component and weights the d20 in favour of rolling higher, but it doesn’t improve damage bonus. Proportionally how much of dps is db for something like a greatspear (excellent) compared to a hate 1hander (good)?

Troxx is talking nonsense. He has no evidence to support his claims.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...&postcount=211 This post has 1 handed and 2 handed weapon examples with video and log evidence. Both weapons have very similar ratios. I am getting nowhere near a 16% increase in DPS with either weapon via +20 STR.

After 40 minutes of hitting a turtle, I got an average of 1.5 extra DPS with +20 STR. I don't think this shows a very strong argument for putting your starting points into STR.

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Dsm i think your turtle logs may be showing that your attack is completely squelching turtle’s defence (always rolling high - thereby removing the DI variable we are trying to measure).

It’s too laboratory mob. You need to be using something that is applicable to levelling.Troxx does a bit better on this (assuming his top secret skeleton is a fair representation kf an xp mob) but really we need to level a knight to like 30 but not train double attack or riposte so we can eliminate some variables and look at how the average hit improves rather than dps.

People keep making this claim, but have yet to provide any evidence as to why the turtle is a bad mob to test on. I rolled 11 max hits out of 496 hits on my 2 handed video. I am not sure why that is considered to be "always rolling high".

[Jimjam]

Fair point. How many min hits? Did the pattern looked like a skewed normal distribution? If so how did it skew?

[Snaggles]

I spent about an hour and a half attacking Bloodmaw and got very little useful information from it. Average hits are just far too high so attack does very little nor does damage bonus. Really though I expect you wont see much of a difference even if you spent 2 hours parsing on vindi...but this is a game of percentage improvement. Aura of Battle is very expensive for what you get.

For a level 60 knight, 20 strength at 60 is 18 attack (228 down to 208). For a level 53 going from 134 str to 124 str is 17 attack. Grim Aura at that level is 13 attack. If you are trying to do damage (anytime you arent tanking) it's important to be effective at it.

It's more important to have fun. The more you have fun the more likely you will see 60 which is where most classes peak. Getting lost in napkin math wont even make you a much better player, tangible skill goes a long way in this game.

[Lune]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Both weapons have very similar ratios. I am getting nowhere near a 16% increase in DPS with either weapon via +20 STR.

DSM slowly realizes what Troxx has been trying to tell him for four pages

[Lune]

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

20 str should never ... EVER ... result in a 16% difference in dps. My parse was flawed despite it showing what I wanted it to.

[Lune]

Oh shit, DSM as in DSM-V, I just got it lol

Please tell me it's an elaborate troll