Shadow knight aggro

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Gloomlord [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How many threads have you been in now where we've called you out? I'd say at least 30 people have given you shit now.

We're not "trolls" -- you're just an annoying arrogant scumbag.

You've been checkmated and you're still going on. That takes a real lack of sanity

No, you idiot, repeating the line about my post count and how I sarcastically said I "harassed" you won't do you any favours.

You think this doesn't make you look like an arrogant scumbag? Yikes.

You might want to read your posts before you hit the button.

[Gloomlord]

How was that even a comeback...?

"YIKES"

[Guesty07]

Hey friends, if you want to be a great tank, one minor aspect you can do is not spam taunt on cooldown like a 12 year old in 1999. Instead, save it to use at a moment you deem necessary. Remember, taunt is a unique ability, that no item or spell can match when successful. Use it wisely as part of your overall tank kit. Any questions please do reach out, happy to help.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Guesty07 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Hey friends, if you want to be a great tank, one minor aspect you can do is not spam taunt on cooldown like a 12 year old in 1999. Instead, save it to use at a moment you deem necessary. Remember, taunt is a unique ability, that no item or spell can match when successful. Use it wisely as part of your overall tank kit. Any questions please do reach out, happy to help.

Thank you for posting your opinion in a friendly way! That is a good change of pace.

I believe you are missing some nuance, however. Take a look at this quote:

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

"The opportunity cost of missing a single taunt is minimal due to the unreliable nature of taunt and it's 6 second cooldown. Switching between spamming taunt and using taunt strategically costs you a single taunt in the worst case. Therefore, do not be afraid to press the taunt button for fear of a missed taunt."

The opportunity cost of using taunt is minimal, regardless of how you press the button. There is no reason to be afraid of using it, or hesitating due to not knowing if the time is right.

Taunting at the right time is a great strategy, but not everybody does this for whatever reason. Snaggles, for example, doesn't use taunt at all. He is a tank that is level 60 and tanks raid content, so don't think that this only applies to newer players.

If you are a player like Snaggles, you can spam taunt to get some utility out of it. You get +1 hate every 6 seconds, and an 8.33% chance to taunt automatically.

You can just assign taunt to a macro you are already spamming (Bash/Slam is a good one) and get a free boost to your agro generation with no extra effort! If you have room on your macro, you can add disarm and beg as well. Those will also generate agro for you.

Spam taunt or save it, both will work just fine. The only time you are getting nothing out of the skill is if you don't use it!

[Toxigen]

christ if you're begging for aggro you've got bigger problems

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Toxigen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

christ if you're begging for aggro you've got bigger problems

Agreed! Nobody is suggesting that you are using beg out of necessity. But if you can fit disarm/beg/taunt on a macro you are spamming anyway, you are getting potential extra hate literally for free. Why not use it?

Snap agro is the primary agro tool of an SK, and we all agree on that.

[Ripqozko]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Please show some examples of me trolling.

Every single thread you join

[Danth]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

But if you can fit disarm/beg/taunt on a macro you are spamming anyway, you are getting potential extra hate literally for free. Why not use it?

I can answer this: Because the benefit gained from more aggro generation is not unlimited. Once you're already holding aggro, any additional threat, be it +1, or +1000, is wasted. Hence spamming those abilities is typically of no value on a knight who's holding aggro anyway. That's more of a warrior tactic when they're scraping the bottom of the barrel looking for any extra threat they can find.

In the specific case of beg you do actually get some "harm" by using it unnecessarily: It adds hate when it fails, so you want to keep your skill as low as possible to maximize fail rate. Using it all the time, hence skilling it up faster, is detrimental. Disarm and Taunt have no such long-term downside.

I don't like macroing abilities together because the macro button doesn't stay "greyed out" when on cooldown the same way, say, Bash does just by itself. I do use bash "strategically" when battling spellcasters, as any knight should, so I like having the visual reference. That's just personal preference, of course, and other folks can and do use other setups and do fine.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Ripqozko [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Every single thread you join

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...&postcount=210
https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...95&postcount=6
https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...3&postcount=94
https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...&postcount=152
https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...&postcount=233
https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...3&postcount=10

etc.

You are simply projecting your clear trolling behavior on to me.

Originally Posted by Danth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I can answer this: Because the benefit gained from more aggro generation is not unlimited. Once you're already holding aggro, any additional threat, be it +1, or +1000, is wasted. Hence spamming those abilities is typically of no value on a knight who's holding aggro anyway. That's more of a warrior tactic when they're scraping the bottom of the barrel looking for any extra threat they can find.

Building an agro buffer means that you are more likely to hold agro. If you have +500 over the rogue, the mob is less likely to flip. Adding to the buffer is always better, since you can't see the numbers in the agro list. You have no idea if you are +1 or +500. For all you know the +1 hate from taunt every 6 seconds is the only thing keeping you at +7 over the rogue.

Originally Posted by Danth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

In the specific case of beg you do actually get some "harm" by using it unnecessarily: It adds hate when it fails, so you want to keep your skill as low as possible to maximize fail rate. Using it all the time, hence skilling it up faster, is detrimental. Disarm and Taunt have no such long-term downside.

I agree that leveling up beg makes it worse. But if you never use it then you are getting nothing out of it anyway. I am sure a lot of people simply don't use it at all. Which is fine of course, I am not saying you need to use it. But I don't think having a fear of skilling up beg is a good reason to not use it. You just end up never pressing it, and getting nothing out of it.

[Danth]

I sure as heck do normally have a feel for when I have a good threat lead or not. I've also been doing the tank job a long flippin' time, and that's something that only comes with the experience of mastery at a job. Maybe some other players might not have the same instinct for the job if they haven't been doing it as long. So, yeah, if you're new to the job and uncertain of yourself, or playing in such a way that you're sometimes shaky on aggro, link those abilities if you like. If you don't need to, then don't do it.