Best 4 person all caster/priest group

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I lub me some shaman but DSM is smoking crack

As you can see, Troxx cannot rebut anything, or provide counter-evidence. Thank you for conceding via trolling.

[Duik]

Originally Posted by Vexenu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Charming a big nasty with a Cleric partner is so much nicer knowing that if charm breaks at a bad time he'll be backing you up with Stun Command, Aego, CH and if all else fails, rez.

Meanwhile with some fat fuck Shaman he's just gonna buff you with Talisman of the Jagoff and impotently spam Chloro before you both take a dirt nap.

The final sentence here is perfection. Although im sure there is more the fat fuck can do.

I want, nay need the bots to treat us like this.

[fortior]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Comparing a level 49 pocket cleric to a 60 Torpor Shaman is silly.

Let me remind you what a pocket character is, as people seem to forget in this thread for some reason:

https://project1999.com/forums/showp...postcount=4706

This is just you making up a definition that suits your conclusions and playing it off as rigid truth. There’s no reason why a 55 mage with coth can be pocketed but a 60 shaman with malo can’t. Hell I could probably 60 a shaman before 55ing a mage.

[Pulgasari]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

As you can see, Troxx cannot rebut anything, or provide counter-evidence. Thank you for conceding via trolling.

Why do you have so many conflicts with so many forum users?

[Trexller]

Originally Posted by Pulgasari [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why do you have so many conflicts with so many forum users?

if you never stir up controversy on the internet, are you even alive?

[Topgunben]

I think best would be 1 cleric 3 enchanters
or the next best would be;
cleric, 2x enc, necro

necro is nice to have for FD and after SHTF rez.

Isnt it funny how powerful enchanters are? this might be 14 years late, but I think it might be time to nerf enchanter charm.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by fortior [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is just you making up a definition that suits your conclusions and playing it off as rigid truth. There’s no reason why a 55 mage with coth can be pocketed but a 60 shaman with malo can’t. Hell I could probably 60 a shaman before 55ing a mage.

I am not making up definitions. That is quite a bold statement you disagree with what a pocket character is.

There are plenty of reasons why a level 49 pocket cleric is different from a level 60 torpor Shaman:

1. Leveling from 50-60 takes as much time as leveling from 1-50. So you spent half the time leveling.

2. It costs a lot less money to level, gear, and buy spells for a pocket cleric.

3. You share the account information of a pocket character. You typically don't share your account information for a level 60 Torpor Shaman in good gear. People could cause a lot more damage to the 60 Shaman than a sparesly geared level 49 cleric if they want to steal or destroy stuff. Reimbursements take a while to get.

Pretending pocket characters are the same as main characters is silly. Anybody who has been in a guild during the past 7 years at least understands the difference. It's not a new concept, and there are a lot of pocket characters on both servers.

Originally Posted by Pulgasari [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why do you have so many conflicts with so many forum users?

It's quite simple. Posters like Troxx are confirmed trolls who attack other posters who disagree with them. They are the problem, and will continue to attack other posters when I am gone. That is how bullies work. They gang up on other people to give the illusion of agreement, because they cannot win a debate normally.

[Troxx]

If we allow pocket characters…

The best 4 man all caster group is 4 shamans playing their pocket cleric, enchanter, enchanter and any any 4th caster that isn’t a shaman?

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[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If we allow pocket characters…

The best 4 man all caster group is 4 shamans playing their pocket cleric, enchanter, enchanter and any any 4th caster that isn’t a shaman?

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As you can see, Troxx still cannot provide a camp that needs a Cleric to CH an Enchanter pet, or any other evidence to support his claims. If he could prove his claims, he would have done so with evidence and logic. He also doesn't understand what pocket characters are apparently.

Thank you for continuing to concede via trolling.

[Troxx]

I do not recall ever citing “need” for cheal on a pet. That is just an idiotic straw man demand you made of me - one I’m still happy to ignore on the grounds of the absurdity of the ask and the argument that would follow.

And yeah … no. When considering big ass nasty high dps charm pets, the value of multiple quick cast stun, actually POTENT blast heals, super efficient complete heal on high hp pets, multiple DAs and … when all else fails … Rez …

It is literally a no-brainer. You are, I think, the only person on this server who isn’t capable of recognizing the perfect synergy between a charming enchanter (2 or 3 of them in this case) and the cleric class.


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So what are we left with in this thread?

-You have claimed that shamans can dps like mages in a fast paced group with multiple charm pets.

*they can’t, not even close

-you have advocated for bringing the shaman because the group will want you root rotting 4-5 mobs parallel to the group

*nobody wants that

-you have stated that this exercise in theorycrafting allows for pocketing whatever class you want on the side for what might need - notably cleric but heck let’s extend this to a pocket wiz to TL them? Pocket druid for potg?

*lol no that wasn’t the point of this thread. You’re just moving goalposts to try to rationalize why your chosen main should make the cut

-you are now trying to warp reality in asserting that an enchanter charming a high dps quadding hasted pet would rather have a shaman watching their back than a cleric

*lol no … just … no …

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Look man, shamans are a great/stellar class. Very powerful with a wide tool kit. Unfortunately, they just don’t really fit in here. Everything important that they CAN do is redundant to what the group already has. They don’t need you to slow. For content that needs slow, 2 other group members can do that. They don’t need you to heal. The cleric has that covered. They don’t need you to CC. At least 3 of the other 4 will have root. 2 of them have mez. Malo is nice and has value but there’s another that can do that.

A shaman in this group would basically be tossing unnecessary buffs, standing by for backup heals that won’t be needed, and maybe trying to contribute some dps - but as has already been proven - they will do that poorly when you’ve got 2 buzz-saw ench pets going to town. The best damage shamans put out are dots - and this group isn’t really going to have mobs living long enough for dots to do much of anything.

Great class … except in this weird theorycraft situation