Best 4 person all caster/priest group

[Penish]

i disagree

[Troxx]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The way you are phrasing this question is incorrect. The thread is about the best four person caster/priest group, not the best group that deals with charm breaks. Dealing with charm breaks is merely one facet of the discussion. I am looking at everything the Shaman has to offer vs. the Cleric, and making my decision based on that.

“The best” 4 person all caster/priest group is going to be centered around the overpowered nature and capabilities of charmed pets. Dealing with charm breaks is therefore not “merely one facet” … it is a core aspect and absolutely critical to the success of a “the best” 4 person all caster/priest group.

Remember that a Shaman will be Torpor Tanking

For the first 59 levels of playing the shaman quite literally will not be Torp tanking. Once you hit 60, unless you are a pleb tier player you will be hunting in areas where the charm pets will have 4500 hp on the low end and 7k to 9k+ on the high end. The shaman won’t be torp tanking because you won’t have a shaman - you’ll have a cleric complete healing pets for absurd values.

By the by, a torp shaman laser focused on torp tanking really nasty hitting high level mobs isn’t going to have the same reaction capabilities to help on charm breaks when help is needed.

By the by Id love to see you torp tank a protector of Zek in Kael arena. A cleric would not have a hard time keeping a big nasty pet up with complete heal

Originally Posted by Penish [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

i disagree

Concur with Penish. I find the argument not compelling. His insistence on pocketing a 5th toon because the shaman cannot actually safely get the job done on all scenarios is laughable.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

“The best” 4 person all caster/priest group is going to be centered around the overpowered nature and capabilities of charmed pets. Dealing with charm breaks is therefore not “merely one facet” … it is a core aspect and absolutely critical to the success of a “the best” 4 person all caster/priest group.

It is just a facet. One that can be handled by the Enchanters the majority of the time. Dedicated Cleric support is not necessary, and you have provided no evidence to suggest otherwise.

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

For the first 59 levels of playing the shaman quite literally will not be Torp tanking. Once you hit 60, unless you are a pleb tier player you will be hunting in areas where the charm pets will have 4500 hp on the low end and 7k to 9k+ on the high end. The shaman won’t be torp tanking because you won’t have a shaman - you’ll have a cleric complete healing pets for absurd values.

The first 59 levels will be easy with the four player group, and Shamans can slow tank before Torpor. You seem to forget most XP mobs do not hit hard, especially after they are slowed. I slow tanked soloing all the way to 60.

Once you hit 60, most camps this group will be doing can be Torpor Tanked. For the camps that can't be Torpor Tanked, you can either use a Pocket Cleric, or run Shaman/Cleric/Enchanter/Enchanter if you want to do soemthing like Vaniki. That is already a camp at the upper limit of what a four player caster/priest group would be doing.

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

By the by, a torp shaman laser focused on torp tanking really nasty hitting high level mobs isn’t going to have the same reaction capabilities to help on charm breaks when help is needed.

You'll need to provide evidence for this claim. I can Torpor tank and react to other situations just fine.

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

By the by Id love to see you torp tank a protector of Zek in Kael arena. A cleric would not have a hard time keeping a big nasty pet up with complete heal

Are you claiming a group of four casters/priests is going to be doing this mob?

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Concur with Penish. I find the argument not compelling. His insistence on pocketing a 5th toon because the shaman cannot actually safely get the job done on all scenarios is laughable.

Troxx will continue to hand wave everything away because he cannot counter my points. He continues to prove this with every post. His debate performance is poor thus far.

With that said, I commend Troxx's self control by not attacking me or trolling me. Great job!

[Troxx]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You'll need to provide evidence for this claim. I can Torpor tank and react to other situations just fine.

Your posted video is direct evidence to the contrary.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Your posted video is direct evidence to the contrary.

If you want to claim one moment in one video is proof of a player's entire career and is the peak of their skill, you are free to do so. I doubt people agree with you though. You would be held to the same standard, and I hope you are not going to claim you play perfectly 100% of the time.

You are just attacking me, rather than the argument. You are backsliding a little bit. Be careful.

https://youtu.be/oPxeOVuX0G8?feature=shared - Here is a video of me Torpor Tanking and doing other things just fine.

[Vear99]

Gentlemen, your root problem here is your method of competition: debating does not work. When the other person doesn't want to lose an argument, they can either write walls of semi-relevant rationalizations or take emotional shots or both. Your resolutions to be more polite will not really help, because your egos will still be on the line, the conflict will not be resolved, and you will both get frustrated again.

So, stop arguing and actually put your statements to the test, i.e. try ENC/ENC/CLR with MAG and SHM and measure. Of course there are still problems - the choice of zone and players will definitely matter - but over time the answer should become much more clear. I think you will find it a much more interesting and fun way to proceed.

[Zuranthium]

"swap over to a pocket cleric" [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] That is not a 4 character group. It's insane this idiocy has been going for 2 years now.

Originally Posted by Keebz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If there's anything I've learned from this thread, it's that Druid is underrated.

Enchanter + Druid is the most efficient power duo for people who want to be self-reliant adventurers. Very relevant for a new server or a server with less of a population, where porters aren't just sitting around. By the same token, a self-reliant 4 person playgroup will want Enchanter + Enchanter + Druid + (x).

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

"swap over to a pocket cleric" [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] That is not a 4 character group. It's insane this idiocy has been going for 2 years now.

Are you claiming there are no groups in p99 that use pocket clerics?

Or are you claimimg OP said pocket clerics weren't allowed?

I see no evidence for either claim.

[Duik]

Jesus fucking christ.
I wonder if dsm realises he comes off as a douche canoe instead of "Diseminator of Safe Meta" and "Department of Safe Moderation" he tries to pass himself off as.

[Snaggles]

The debate for the forth seat rages on. Glad to see it.

If all a mage could ever do is make a stack of .66% mana/hp coverters, juggle to keep them from rotting, sini pets and mala the target for quicker slows that’s enough.

I’d consider a Druid for QoL ports, sow, and harmony but otherwise for raw performance the mage is only rivalled by a 3rd ench. IMHO