Discussion: Play Nice (Training, Bind Camping)

[Envious]

FYI, training is the hardest of any PnP to actually prove or come to a conclusion about as a GM.

You have to derive intent, which is fucking impossible. If they were bringing in the mobs cause PvP was required before someone engaged or killed the mob, or just trained...

Deriving intent is not possible. Your asking for shit. These issues have been discussed at fucking length a dozen goddamned times.

GMs on R99 should have 1 fuking purpose, to handle mechanics and things of the such. Getting them involved in any PK'ing activities will kill your server. GMs get involved, make decisions, people question it, then people leave, then there is no PvP, then more ppl leave, then server dead.

[Envious]

In all frankness and seriousness...

Just keep the GMs the fuck off R99.

The only dev / GM that has even been wanted in the PvP forums has been you (Rogean).

Just keep the GMs off R99. Get a couple to do char stuck, corpse under world, zones down, etc... game mechanics.

Sorry to respond with less than ample patience, but I have been preaching this for 3 or 4 years...

[Lazortag]

Originally Posted by Envious [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

In all frankness and seriousness...

Just keep the GMs the fuck off R99.

The only dev / GM that has even been wanted in the PvP forums has been you (Rogean).

Just keep the GMs off R99. Get a couple to do char stuck, corpse under world, zones down, etc... game mechanics.

Sorry to respond with less than ample patience, but I have been preaching this for 3 or 4 years...

What about rules that are easy to enforce (like bind camping)? The deterrent value of being punished for something like that is enough to make most people not do it. It's not going to burn out the GM staff since virtually no one would be dumb enough to risk doing it.

Yeah training isn't easy to catch, but that's just a reason for needing a high standard of evidence before punishing anyone. If there's not enough evidence, then just don't get involved. And most blatant training should be solved by casting root anyway. I fail to see how this is a big deal. If you don't have a rule against training there will be about a hundred times more of it.

[pasi]

Originally Posted by Envious [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

FYI, training is the hardest of any PnP to actually prove or come to a conclusion about as a GM.

You have to derive intent, which is fucking impossible. If they were bringing in the mobs cause PvP was required before someone engaged or killed the mob, or just trained...

Deriving intent is not possible. Your asking for shit. These issues have been discussed at fucking length a dozen goddamned times.

GMs on R99 should have 1 fuking purpose, to handle mechanics and things of the such. Getting them involved in any PK'ing activities will kill your server. GMs get involved, make decisions, people question it, then people leave, then there is no PvP, then more ppl leave, then server dead.

[Rushmore]

If you allow someone to bind camp you're an idiot.

Training shouldn't be allowed but if you get caught by GM or Fraps your character is deleted.
Why do GMs in the past continue to suspend a player!?!? It does nothing.

1) First Time Offender ....Delete Character
2) Second Time Offender ....Delete Character and Bind IP.

If you allow training more people will roll monks, Sk, Necro just to take advantage and the population will go down.

[Amuk]

Pro's and cons for both - if you have staff willing to enforce it No Training policy is more fun. But if there isn't the support and the GM's arn't up for that commitment I wouldn't blame them.

[georgie]

training should be allowed to an extent. it shouldn't be allowed in raid zones.
ex: CT enraged 3%
monk:/fd
guild:/dead

-also think it should be that long wait for enemies to forget you. like in p99.

[Doors]

Bind camping should be legal but only if theres no exp on death from other players. Coin loot but no item loot. No training because its stupid and overshadows any actual PVP.

People who intentionally train should get like 1 week bans or something. Permanent ban seems like a bit much.

As far as cheating goes, should be a three strikes rule. Third strike = perm ban. Just instantly banning people you catch for a first offense will kill server population fast. Not that I'm sticking up for these scrubs that do use MQ and shit but perm ban right on first offense seems harsh also.

and Harrison shut the fuck up. This isn't World of Warcraft.

[Doors]

LnS might be necessary but not right off the bat of server start. Honestly I want to play on a pretty brutal PVP server and no LnS makes it all the better. Also LnS is really hard, annoying and tedious to police as a GM.

[Rushmore]

banning does nothing. Why doesn't anyone ever call for character delete?