New Druid Advice from the experts

[loramin]

Got it: you recommend doing the thing you don't recommend doing.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Got it: you recommend doing the thing you don't recommend doing.

I don't know why you think doubling down on reading my posts incorrectly accomplishes any of your goals. It doesn't make you look good, it doesn't help OP, it doesn't discredit me or make me look bad. Other people know how to read better than you do.

It's probably better to just farm the plat. I wouldn't advise someone to farm Goblin Ring unless they prefer farming their own items over efficiency.

You missed the second half of the sentence, where I said it's fine if they prefer to farm their own items. Often times farming a rare item like Goblin Ring is not as efficient as farming the plat for it.

There is a reason why an item campable by a level 15 is still 5k in 2025. It's a rare item. You may not get it at all when you try to camp it. Plat farming is often more consistent, and can be done while leveling. Killing guards for example gives you XP and Plat consistently.

[loramin]

Your underlying assumption is that it's less efficient to farm the ring yourself as a low-level character. This is a false assumption.

Again, you can get XP anywhere: there are literally dozens of zones a low level Druid can XP in ... but only one of them has an NPC who drops the Goblin Ghazughi Ring. Why XP anywhere else (where you have zero chance of getting the ring), when you can get XP AND a chance at the ring?

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Your underlying assumption is that it's less efficient to farm the ring yourself as a low-level character. This is a false assumption.

Again, you can get XP anywhere: there are literally dozens of zones a low level Druid can XP in ... but only one of them has an NPC who drops the Goblin Ghazughi Ring. Why XP anywhere else (where you have zero chance of getting the ring), when you can get XP AND a chance at the ring?

Thank you for admitting you read my post wrong, which is why you are now switching to the substance of my post.

It was less efficient for Jimjam, he didn't get a ring:

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

My mage did that camp from like 12 to 24 and saw plenty of couriers but no ring. Seeing bloodstone rings in inventories gives me ptsd.

If Jimjam was camping mobs that had better plat/money item drops while gaining XP, he'd have some plat to work with by level 24. Intsead he had no ring and no plat. This is very basic stuff if you've played this game. If the Ring was easy to get, it would be like 500 plat.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Thank you for admitting you read my post wrong, which is why you are now switching to the substance of my post.

The fundamental problem with your posts is that you write nonsense like this to win points with the imaginary audience in your head ... and then fail miserably at communicating with the actual humans in the thread.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The fundamental problem with your posts is that you write nonsense like this to win points with the imaginary audience in your head ... and then fail miserably at communicating with the actual humans in the thread.

No. The problem is you think that is what I am doing, and it clouds your judgement when you read my posts.

I am sorry that there is a boogyman version of DSM that lives rent free in your head.

You should learn to simply read my posts as-is, instead of spamming threads with your own delusions of what you imagine I am saying.

Remember that you are the one who started attacking me in this thread:

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Wow, I haven't seen a "DSM says something completely wrong, with total confidence" hot take in a while.

This is the first thing you said to me in this thread. You attacked me first, and have generally been snarky to me in your subsequent posts.

I never understood why people think it is fine to attack others, but absolutely cannot handle it when the other person defends themselves. They seem shocked that the person they attacked did not simply roll over and take it.

If you don't want people to defend themselves against your attacks, don't attack people. It's quite simple. Please stop spamming the thread.

[loramin]

Everyone who doesn't agre with DSM is spamming the thread, got it.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Everyone who doesn't agre with DSM is spamming the thread, got it.

As you can see, Loramin is unable to dispute the substance of my previous posts. He continues to make stuff up too. My arguments are sound, and he knows it. He can keep acting like a child if he wishes I guess. I am sorry Loramin is spamming your thread OP.

[loramin]

Yup. My incredibly simple argument ... that a 1+% chance of a free goblin ring is better than a 0% chance (while doing the exact same thing a Druid is already doing, ie. leveling) ... has nothing to do with this thread. Because DSM declares it.

[bcbrown]

Originally Posted by Goregasmic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Real talk though, mid/high 40s you could charm in a couple of places but is there anything that beats quadding wyverns? The exp there is insane and the money is alright.

Kedge! Kedge! Kedge! Kedge!

It's such a great zone. Underwater so you either gotta deal with casting EB every half hour or buy worn EB. 22 minute spawn timer so no single camp is worth staying at, you need to make like a shark and keep moving. Every hit interrupts casts unless you're in a corner, where only every fourth hit interrupts casts. There's mobs hidden in ceiling compartments so you need to be looking around in 3 dimensions, not just two. If you sit down a level 5 fish will aggro and prevent you from medding or swapping spells, and if you kill it it might proc a 500dd aoe.

When you inevitably die it's far enough off the beaten path to make getting a rez challenging. And when you do get a rez, you'll be sitting underwater unable to move and without any mana for EB. And on the CR, since EB takes fish scales, you first have to detour to the bank to get some money before going to EC and hitting up Katha Firespinner. And if you bind just outside the zoneline, any extended AFK risks accidentally de-leveling back down to 5.

Originally Posted by Snaggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If I had enough for a gobby ring and a few main spells that’s what I’d do at the expense of any other gear. I would charm in Oasis then move to Overthere for a bit, then Velious cougars in Iceclad and off to GD for Kodiaks and Drakkel wolves.

The advantage of quadding is not speed but quality of life. You can blow your whole mana bar and then sit and go make a sandwich. At 46 with a Lumi staff you can easily xp in Highkeep, Oggok, and Grobb off single targets. It seems like a silly click but level 45 I couldn’t clear all Grobb ent before repops and with it at 46 I was speeding through them and Nobles have even less hit points. Really, it just opens up places to go if your quad or charm spot is taken. Later this approach is replaced by dot rotting.

I don’t know about speed. My guess is if you have a lock on bear pits nothing comes close. Quading wyverns and then suits or raptors is tolerable for those AFK breaks. Dot rotting is a 3rd but lets you think outside the box. I did some charming in Chardok and it was ok I guess.

I'm a little surprised by that charm path. OT/IC/GD over the CT gators? You just like the open space versus the cramped conditions with the gators? Single target Lumi kills in Oggok/Grobb sounds super painful to me but glad you liked it, maybe I'll give it a shot. Did you dot, or just root and lumi?

I thought charming in Chardok was great, didn't feel a need to leave for the bear pits. I liked that there's tons of farming enchanters coming through so you often get drive-by C2, and if you drop some regens and heals you can make a lot of friends with them and the necros. The loot is also decent, with a lot of the drops being zone-wide. I got a Stave of Shielding off entrance trash once, for example. I also found it a great spot to really perfect a lot of niche charming tactics, especially since you have to manage the mix of dogs and sarnaks. A simple example is using lull to keep a dog from aggroing while you root the adjacent sarnak before charming the dog. More complicated tactics would be rooting and snare-parking two sarnaks at the entrance, lull-splitting and snare-pulling one of two dogs further in, bringing it back to entrance, then gating to drop aggro before coming back in to charm. So now instead of having to root rot the two sarnaks and charming the dogs against each other you have two dogs on two sarnaks. Things began to green out at 59 but I was able to clear both entrance and exit wings and it still felt like it went pretty fast.