New Druid Advice from the experts

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Goregasmic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you're going to wait until the mob is literally one round away from death against a hasted pet you can't really pre-switch before breaking, much less fuck around with a 2sec cast. That's how you kill 10k hp mobs with a 288dd.

Of course you can pre-switch. You may not know this, but you can cycle targets while casting spells. So you can target cycle during the Stealthy Ring casting. Also breaking earlier is safer than breaking later, so I am not sure what your argument is.

[Goregasmic]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I am not sure what your argument is.

It is one more action in a very limited time window. Technically feasible but it's adding risk. At this point I prefere playing safe and eating a round if mana conservation is critical.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Goregasmic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It is one more action in a very limited time window. Technically feasible but it's adding risk. At this point I prefere playing safe and eating a round if mana conservation is critical.

It isn't one more action, it's one less action because you don't have to also target yourself. Ring of Stealthy Travel is safer because you want to start breaking one combat round earlier. The later you wait to break via Goblin Ring, the riskier it is. Based on everything you said when it comes to playing safer and being annoyed at target switching, Ring of Stealthy Travel is better for you. You aren't arguing for Goblin Ring.

[Goregasmic]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It isn't one more action, you need to target switch anyway. If anything it's less targeting. Ring of Stealthy Travel is safer because you want to start breaking one combat round earlier. The later you wait to break via Goblin Ring, the riskier it is. Based on everything you said when it comes to playing safer and being annoyed at target switching, Ring of Stealthy Travel is better for you. You aren't arguing for Goblin Ring.

If your main goal is breaking late for mana preservation, cast time is wasted time.

Me and like 5 other people already went over this.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Goregasmic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If your main goal is breaking late for mana preservation, cast time is wasted time.

Me and like 5 other people already went over this.

Based on what you've posted so far you agree with me that:

1. Ring of Stealthy Travel is safer.

2. Ring of Stealthy Travel is better for targeting, and you don't need to spend the extra action on targeting yourself.

When it comes to saving nuke mana, you (and the other posters) have supplied zero evidence so far that Goblin Ring helps with this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYCpsgMYx7A

You can save nuke mana without Goblin Ring using cast invis. You need to actually provide evidence that the instant cast component of Goblin Ring helped.

[Goregasmic]

Originally Posted by Goregasmic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Me and like 5 other people already went over this.

But you chose to disregard the points we bring forth.

You never proved that ring of stealthy travel has more efficiency because you can't. It is safer because it is less efficient.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Goregasmic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

But you chose to disregard the points we bring forth.

You never proved that ring of stealthy travel has more efficiency because you can't. It is safer because it is less efficient.

You are the one making the claim that Goblin Ring helps with saving nuke mana. You (and the other posters) need to supply evidence for that claim. So far zero evidence has been supplied from all of the posters you are referring to, including yourself.

You can easily test the tangible benefits of Ring of Stealthy Travel yourself. No need to take my word for it:

1. Cast Ring of Stealthy Travel and check if you spent 0 mana.
2. Cast Ring of Stealthy travel to break charm and cycle targets while it's casting (or before). You can confirm that you no longer need to target yourself.
3. Observe that you no longer need to assign invis to your spellbar unless you are invising someone else or are using invis vs. undead.
4. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYCpsgMYx7A - watch this video to see that you can get 100% XP on both mobs AND save nuke mana using an invis spell with a 5 second cast time. Ring of Stealthy Travel has a 2 second cast time.

I've got my evidence lined up. Where is your evidence that Goblin Ring helped you save nuke mana?

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Goregasmic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

But you chose to disregard the points we bring forth.

Why do you (still) engage with him?

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why do you (still) engage with him?

Why are you still trying to shut down discussion on a forum? You also have provided zero evidence for your claims. Lying about me or about what has happened in this thread (or other threads) isn't a valid method of debate. Nor is shutting down discussions. Fallacies are also invalid.

Acting like this just further hurts your credibility, and the points you are trying to make. I really don't understand why you think this is hurting me, or helping you.

Use logic and facts please. Or stick to RnF if you want to spam the forum with nonsense.

You of all people should know the forum rules lol.

[Goregasmic]

Instant lets the mob swing 1-2 extra round for like 200-400 damage before target dies, downgrading the need for a 250mana nuke to a 160mana one. If you're reverse charming a couple mobs or just chain killing that 90mana economy per mob can make or break your sequence. Reverse charms are quite mana intensive but they're the fastest burst exp.

You can always cast and cancel ROST or regular invis but you're adding extra steps and more risk. GGR lets you trigger it precisely when you need it.

Your video shows it is possible and I've done it from 12 to 44 but we both know you won't get consistent results especially toward end game conditions because a lot (or very little) can happen in 5 seconds. I personally lost a lot more mobs and mana before GGR. I'd probably be better at it today than back then but GGR takes 90% of the guess work and the fumbling out of the equation.

If you're 60 and you don't care about exp or you're not interested in maximizing efficiency the ROST is the better ring but you just cannot deny with a straight face that GGR gives you more precision on charm breaks with less hassle.