Discussion: PvP Deaths (Item/Coin/XP Loot/Gain)

[Misto]

Originally Posted by lethdar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Oh no, trash newbie telling me to play better or thinks I'm not familiar with item loot!

Many people are against item loot because they've seen the effects item loot has on pvp emu servers. Sure, r99 will likely have a large population initially no matter what, but that doesn't mean it will maintain that.

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[Salty]

Originally Posted by Misto [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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You are unable to call others a pussy when you have proven yourself as a gigantic pussy.

[Yukahwa]

Nice..Good discussion here.

With a lower level limit (like 4) and a decent GM staff (like Rogean and friends) item loot would not pull the server apart.

[beentheredonethat]

with item loot you'll have a rallos zek effect. first 40+ levels will be painful, constant ganks by groups of casters. There simply won't be enough newbies who want to stick it out.

but today it's not the same world as when Sony had a monopoly. there are alternatives. people will simply quit and go to another server. I've done Rallos Zek, with item loot I personally won't even bother playing today even on live.

[Yukahwa]

Well item loot is gone from live since the server merge and basically since augments. so NP there.

If people want PVP they will have NP sticking it out on item loot server. Again..what does this hypothetical noob have to lose? Some banded..maybe a savants cap they got form a nice higher level in unrest? They will be ganked by casters regardless of item loot..and these noobs will be ganked by twinks regardless of item loot. So all it means is there is no chance of stealing the casters robes.

[Hipnotizer]

Coin loot - Yes! I like clarity and personal HG's. Ty.
Item loot - Hell no! If you would so kindly read what my pal Buhbuh wrote:

Originally Posted by Buhbuh [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Kael, PoG, SS armor. Bracers of Benevolence on all classes, bar pure casters and priests. Yelinak, Sontalak, Tunare, Zlandicar, Klandicar, Wuoshi, Vindi, Statue, Tormax, Dain, PoM, NToV, Dozekar, WToV, Sleeper's Tomb, Strength of the Elements, Tantor's Tusk, Sceptre of Destruction, Zlandicar's heart, pre-primal weapons, Eyepatch of Plunder, Dain quest rings, VP, epics, early plane armor and weapons, haste items that very few are stupid enough to wear in dangerous situations.

That leaves? Eventual obsolescence and no one taking risks at all. As we've experienced, it leaves a population fearful of putting on even halfway decent gear, because it's the hugest time sink ever trying to get it. Were you there in the beginning of RZ? Or do you just remember fondly what it used to be like there when you did start?

Blind will be landing here much more that live, I imagine. That presents another problem all together with item loot.

Exp gain - Yes! The exp grind is going to be nuts, it would be sweet if I could get pvp exp also. Seem's like this would be a very good incentive for people to seek out others depending on how much exp we are talking? Idk.

Exp loss - I would only be ok with this if : I happen to find myself in a noob-status situation where I would get bind camped that either a) I would not suffer more than the initial exp loss or b) I just type /exit and call it a day for a silly mcphilly billybob rule.

[Yukahwa]

Yeah! Those no drop velious items mean the high level game is totally different. At low levels it means that twink player killers actually risk their ikky bp or fungi when they go out to kill noobs. Its better in every aspect. High levels get top notch no drops and can do REAL pvp seriously in their real gear. Guys geared up to PK newbs have to take an actual risk.

Non twink "newbies" that will get burnt out don't have to worry because their gear should be worthless anyways. Only people that benefit from no item loot are twinked lowbie PKs. Once you are moderately geared in your 40's you should be in a group anyways. Its just more dangerous..more fun. getting to high levels is even more rewarding because you can finally get all the good no drop gear.

[dusk883]

Originally Posted by Yukahwa [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah! Those no drop velious items mean the high level game is totally different. At low levels it means that twink player killers actually risk their ikky bp or fungi when they go out to kill noobs. Its better in every aspect. High levels get top notch no drops and can do REAL pvp seriously in their real gear. Guys geared up to PK newbs have to take an actual risk.

I agree with this for sure, item loot was always great IMO. Twinks were accountable and targets to hunt with your friends, I remember hunting and zone camping all over the Karanas early on Live when we saw our first guy wearing a Flowing Black Robe... "that guy has BLING!! Let's blind and kill him!"

[Yukahwa]

Yup. It makes the game actually fun. 2 buds can level up to their chosen lowbie level and try to hunt twinks. Its a blast. Killing someone for street cred is not rewarding at those levels..with item loot there are more options for fun. People wanting to get into the real game will get to level 50 and get good no drop gear.

[juicedsixfo]

Originally Posted by Yukahwa [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

...with item loot there are more options for fun.

You keep resorting to this same failed logic time and time again, and it's explained to you hand over fist that item loot creates much more negative results than it does "fun" results. Seriously, figure it out.