Myconid Spore King - Monk Solo

[Samoht]

Oh, and I forgot to mention: only one of us displayed the lack of self control that made us receive a suspension from the wiki. Hint: it wasn't me.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Please don't put words in my mouth. You're terrible enough at managing the bullshit that comes from yours.

I've already shown you the mistakes in your methods. You can choose to ignore them all you wish.

ITT: DSM loses discussion horribly to the point people refuse to acknowledge him or his terrible math. DSM declares victory. Typical DSM behavior.

Please show me where the flaws are in my math. You didn't address this post at all:

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...&postcount=651

If it isn't an [S] kill, what is it?

[shovelquest]

Someone abusing their ability to hand out suspensions is not the W you think it is sam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Samoht]

Originally Posted by shovelquest [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Someone abusing their ability to hand out suspensions is not the W you think it is sam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Did you see how much raging he was doing in the wiki? The suspension was well deserved.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Did you see how much raging he was doing in the wiki? The suspension was well deserved.

This is a lie.

Please show me where the flaws are in my math. You didn't address this post at all:

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...&postcount=651

I did actually forget to include OP's regen. 15 HP from Fungi + 10 From Dain Ring + 12 from Iksar regen = 37 HP per tick. In 126 seconds OP would have regenerated two Wort Pot Clicks. So 8 charges of a 10 Dose Wort Pot. OP's regen is why it looks like he only took ~6000 damage in the video instead of the 6500 damage recorded in his parse.

If it isn't an [S] kill, what is it?

[Stryker85]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There are a lot more outside factors to this than just effective HP. Would you be able to split it soon enough and kill it ahead of respawns? Would your DPS be high enough? Would you be able to juggle all your clickies and keep high enough up time of monk epic if/when the shit hits the fan?

Those are the skills you're neglecting. I'm sure there are more.

Doing it without outside buffs is what would make this an S+ kill.

OK, now you're actually asking some pertinent questions. Thank you for cutting the bullshit.

To answer your questions in order:
Outside buffs have absolutely zero effect on the pull / split, so that part is moot.
However, you raise a fair point in that I would have less time to kill the king with the frogs dying slower, that is true, but the DPS difference between VoG haste VS monk epic haste alone is not nearly as big as you might think.
Yes it would be more difficult, but only time wise, the spore king fight itself would not be any more challenging at all. In fact the actual king kill would be considerably easier with the safety net of having consumables at the ready.
But it would mean that I have a little less time for the pull, snare, and recovery before engage. Is it still possible? - Yes, but it would require more favorable RNG to be on my side.
I'm not sure what you're talking about with managing clickies and monk epic though... those would not be effected by consumables at all.

Thank you for finally making a fair and legitimate argument though. Kudos.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Stryker85 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

OK, now you're actually asking some pertinent questions. Thank you for cutting the bullshit.

To answer your questions in order:
Outside buffs have absolutely zero effect on the pull / split, so that part is moot.
However, you raise a fair point in that I would have less time to kill the king with the frogs dying slower, that is true, but the DPS difference between VoG haste VS just monk epic haste is not nearly as big as you might think.
Yes it would be more difficult, but only time wise, the spore king fight itself would not be any more challenging at all. In fact the actual king kill would be considerably easier with the safety net of having consumables at the ready.
But it would mean that I have a little less time for the pull, snare, and recovery before engage. Is it still possible? - Yes, but it would require more favorable RNG to be on my side.

Thank you for finally making a fair and legitimate argument though. Kudos.

You can correct me if I am wrong, but based on the video I don't see a significant time difference without buffs. You'd have 1500 less HP to regen before the fungi King fight starts, and the lower DPS would only increase the King fight by ~22 seconds according to the math. Each frog shouldn't have been more than +22 seconds each, as they are easier mobs. It takes a bit over 3 minutes to regen that 1500 extra HP from Aego and FoS with 43 HP regen via sitting.

[Stryker85]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You can correct me if I am wrong, but based on the video I don't see a significant time difference without buffs. You'd have 1500 less HP to regen before the fungi King fight starts, and the lower DPS would only increase the King fight by ~22 seconds according to the math. Each frog shouldn't have been more than +22 seconds each, as they are easier mobs. It takes a bit over 3 minutes to regen that 1500 extra HP from Aego and FoS with 43 HP regen via sitting.

It's not really the HP loss from buffs that would affect anything. The only significant loss from doing it self buffed (with consumables) would be a slightly tighter clock to get the king dead before frog respawns, due to not having VoG. The time difference between VoG and just monk epic isn't that drastic though. I would guestimate that having VoG saves me about 1-2 minutes per cycle, which could definitely end up being the difference between having time for the kill, or not - depending on the pull/snare RNG I got that round.

So yes, not having VoG would make it harder, but not impossible. He actually did raise a valid point that was worth discussing this time.

Edit: Actually, after thinking about it some more, if I were using consumables, I wouldn't even need to bother wasting time with procing snare and regening up afterwards. I would just start the fight immediately when I got back to camp. With that in mind, not having VoG would actually make no difference at all really, sure it would be a slightly longer fight, but that's what 300k HP worth of consumables are for lol.

Regardless though, I still think it was a valid and fair question to pose, so thanks again for actually arguing in good faith this time.

[Zuranthium]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You are getting less HP from the 10 dose wort pot than a Reaper

This is irrelevant, why do you keep talking about it? It's already been known for a long time that Monks can kill spore king with a couple outside buffs or a single wort pot.

Killing something with ZERO outside buffs or consumables is the highest tier of solo achievement, and the entire point of the conversation. Every class has a certain ceiling they can achieve; discovering that ceiling is one of the reasons to do solo challenges.

Originally Posted by Stryker85 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I have ran the numbers, I DO have the gear

You've done no concrete math in this thread. You have not run the numbers on the exact effect of proccing debuff and what your DPS output would be self buffed and fist swapping the entire time.

And if you have the gear then why didn't you use it? There's no reason to not have Spikecoat up if you have that item.

The exact BIS gear for a Monk would also include Shroud of Longevity and Fungi staff. You obviously do not have those items and have not calculated the actual top potential of what a BIS Monk could do completely solo. There were Monks in 2015 on p99 who were better geared than you are now.

Originally Posted by Stryker85 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I was also the #1 ranked SK world-wide on Magelo rankings during Solteris - Underfoot eras when my guild was competing for world first raid kills

That is not any relevant achievement in the world of gaming, LMAO. Playing PvE EQ in 2009. No wonder you are so ignorant and insane in this thread, you seriously think this means something. You're desperately clinging onto feeling like wasting years and years and years of your life grinding in EQ is something special.

Originally Posted by Stryker85 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If it was that easy, every monk would do it.

Every good monk HAS been doing it, for decades now. One of the most common sights on Red was Monks' staffs constantly disappearing and reappearing in combat.

It's a low tier gaming input. Requires no tactical involvement, no understanding of complex systems, and no truly challenging amount of coordination or reflexes. Something you don't understand and likely never will, because you are not a competitive rts gamer.

Originally Posted by Stryker85 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Using 1 character that's buffed to fight the mob is not the same thing as fighting the mob with 4 characters you disingenuous piece of shit.

Using 4 characters does not mean fighting continuously with 4 characters. You are the disingenuous person here, and still can't even comprehend basic math and basic text.

You factually used the abilities of 4 characters, and an additional player, in order to complete the encounter. Nothing you say will ever change that. You could easily use 3 characters instead, I already kindly granted you that for the solo challenge recognition, but either way you are still using ANOTHER PLAYER to do the kill.

Buffs are the same thing, in effect, as getting healed during a fight or someone contributing extra DPS. Until you admit this, you're delusional.

[Stryker85]

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is irrelevant, why do you keep talking about it? It's already been known for a long time that Monks can kill spore king with a couple outside buffs or a single wort pot.

Killing something with ZERO outside buffs or consumables is the highest tier of solo achievement, and the entire point of the conversation. Every class has a certain ceiling they can achieve; discovering that ceiling is one of the reasons to do solo challenges.



You've done no concrete math in this thread. You have not run the numbers on the exact effect of proccing debuff and what your DPS output would be self buffed and fist swapping the entire time.

And if you have the gear then why didn't you use it? There's no reason to not have Spikecoat up if you have that item.

The exact BIS gear for a Monk would also include Shroud of Longevity and Fungi staff. You obviously do not have those items and have not calculated the actual top potential of what a BIS Monk could do completely solo. There were Monks in 2015 on p99 who were better geared than you are now.



That is not any relevant achievement in the world of gaming, LMAO. Playing PvE EQ in 2009. No wonder you are so ignorant and insane in this thread, you seriously think this means something. You're desperately clinging onto feeling like wasting years and years and years of your life grinding in EQ is something special.



Every good monk HAS been doing it, for decades now. One of the most common sights on Red was Monks' staffs constantly disappearing and reappearing in combat.

It's a low tier gaming input. Requires no tactical involvement, no understanding of complex systems, and no truly challenging amount of coordination or reflexes. Something you don't understand and likely never will, because you are not a competitive rts gamer.



Using 4 characters does not mean fighting continuously with 4 characters. You are the disingenuous person here, and still can't even comprehend basic math and basic text.

You factually used the abilities of 4 characters, and an additional player, in order to complete the encounter. Nothing you say will ever change that. You could easily use 3 characters instead, I already kindly granted you that for the solo challenge recognition, but either way you are still using ANOTHER PLAYER to do the kill.

Buffs are the same thing, in effect, as getting healed during a fight or someone contributing extra DPS. Until you admit this, you're delusional.

LOL - Confirmed, both delusional and disingenuous. TLDR: Can't do shit, won't do shit, never will do shit. Just a bunch of talk with absolutely nothing to back any of it up. Keep pissing in the wind buddy, nobody here takes anything you say seriously. You're just making yourself look dumber and dumber with every post.