Game Mechanics: Staff of Temperate Flux and Rod of Insidious Glamour Should not be useable on move

[baakss]

Originally Posted by Rygar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is the only compelling evidence there was a slight cast time, but I am not convinced it was enough to stop from running while casting in era. As folks have stated, slight movement would not always completely interrupt a spell. Maybe the cast time helped the client/server limit the input received or something (I'm no expert in that realm, just spit-balling)

Not sure what this is referencing, but seems relevant. Bottom comment says no cast time.

https://groups.google.com/g/alt.game...m/QvMEUxnEgFwJ

Aug 15, 2001, 12:09:13 PM

>So if this is a complete Nerf, then we Wizzys have a choice +10 int (Staff
>of the Wheel) or Elemental Resistance and debuff ability...

To be honest, at this point the SoTF is so useful when solo'ing, I'd
equip it instead of the SotW. Remember, it's not just the debuff
abilty (which is so tiny as to not be noticable), it lets you judge
the range of your nukes, so you know when to stop running and start
blasting.

The only real killer nerf they could give this thing would be to give
it a casting time. Then, yeah, I'd be pretty pissed.

In here they reference flux staff on the run (luclin era) -- fun thread regardless because it contains AE logs for future reference:

https://groups.google.com/g/alt.game...m/VntYeIqZPgAJ

Depends on environment. I like how quickly a good wizard can tag a bunch
of mobs on the run with the Flux staff

Out of era, but seems to reference flux staff aggro kiting:

https://groups.google.com/g/alt.game...m/hc4o1u2wzKsJ

>Oh and Im too lazy to look up his name, but stay the hell away from
>the mob that drops the weapon that procs divine aura. He is
>unsnarable, so difficult to kite, and seems to be invincible most of
>the time. (And if I recall, continues to attack while invincible).
>Maybe a Wizard can mana burn him or something...I have no idea how you
>are supposed to kill him, and we stopped trying after the first two
>wipes.

He has (90% of the time) a Divine Aura proccing hammer as weapon. And
yes as a npc he can still attack while DAed. As long as he's not
hitting (and thus proccing) you can damage him. Normally we use a
kiter and loads of ranged damage to take him down. Wizzie with a flux
staff is great as kiter.

[Awsten_Tx]

Originally Posted by feniin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I feel like you're just deliberately ignoring the logs and in-era evidence because you can't accept being wrong about this. Good thing nilbog can read and doesn't need your grandstanding.

You mean the logs citing 6 cast a second that turned out to be 2 wizards?

That also had a whole slew of logs showing 2 cast per seconds that were conveniently excluded
...

Or the number of people claiming "truth me bro" that dont even know logs mechanics.

But by all means, continue the personal attacks. I am sure that will prove your case.

[Vivitron]

Originally Posted by Awsten_Tx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You mean the logs citing 6 cast a second that turned out to be 2 wizards?

You just claimed you reviewed baakss links which include nov 2001 logs showing ~5 fluxes/second from a single wizard, so maybe those logs?

[Awsten_Tx]

Originally Posted by Vivitron [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You just claimed you reviewed baakss links which include nov 2001 logs showing ~5 fluxes/second from a single wizard, so maybe those logs?

how do you know they are from a single wizard? there is a shaman in the group casting malaisement. This is the kinda "trust me bro" garbage that goes on. Previously it was 6 cast per second when, oh wait, there were 2 wizards in the area.

there isnt an ounce of viable evidence the current function is classic. On the other hand we have 2 different patch notes, and heaps of logs, that show it should of been clickable about 2 or 3 times a second. no more.

[Wayward]

Originally Posted by Awsten_Tx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

how do you know they are from a single wizard? there is a shaman in the group casting malaisement. This is the kinda "trust me bro" garbage that goes on. Previously it was 6 cast per second when, oh wait, there were 2 wizards in the area.

there isnt an ounce of viable evidence the current function is classic. On the other hand we have 2 different patch notes, and heaps of logs, that show it should of been clickable about 2 or 3 times a second. no more.

Where the hell did you come up with this angle that there was a shaman casting malaisement? That's a wild assumption, that the poster, who was the one who offered the logs, said was incorrect.

You are an idiot. You have proved to everyone here as much. Continue digging your hole, and continue doubling down. Moron.

[Awsten_Tx]

Originally Posted by Wayward [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Where the hell did you come up with this angle that there was a shaman casting malaisement? That's a wild assumption, that the poster, who was the one who offered the logs, said was incorrect.

You are an idiot. You have proved to everyone here as much. Continue digging your hole, and continue doubling down. Moron.

Well there was a shaman in the group repeatedly casting it leading up to it /shrug. By all means, continue the personal attacks.

[Vivitron]

Originally Posted by Awsten_Tx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

how do you know they are from a single wizard? there is a shaman in the group casting malaisement.

There's no shaman or even a group mentioned. The guy completes the quest, gates to bind, tests his new staff. https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...34&postcount=3

I agree the patch note is strong evidence that something was changed about the staff, but the logs support it being possible to flux 5x/second post patch, the forum posts support it being able to be cast while running post patch, the lack of forum posts complaining about a nerf (with one exception: a player without the staff, who was working on the quest when the patch was released) despite presence of forum posts highly praising it suggests that if there was a nerf it wasn't impactful. People who played wizards in era remember it being instant.

Your conclusion that it should work like the dain hammer is contradicted by the lack of a "Your Staff of Temperate Flux begins to glow." log message, which would be present if it worked like the dain hammer.

[Awsten_Tx]

Originally Posted by Vivitron [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There's no shaman or even a group mentioned. The guy completes the quest, gates to bind, tests his new staff. https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...34&postcount=3

I agree the patch note is strong evidence that something was changed about the staff, but the logs support it being possible to flux 5x/second post patch, the forum posts support it being able to be cast while running post patch, the lack of forum posts complaining about a nerf (with one exception: a player without the staff, who was working on the quest when the patch was released) despite presence of forum posts highly praising it suggests that if there was a nerf it wasn't impactful. People who played wizards in era remember it being instant.

Your conclusion that it should work like the dain hammer is contradicted by the lack of a "Your Staff of Temperate Flux begins to glow." log message, which would be present if it worked like the dain hammer.

Id be lying if I said I believe McVoy's log copy paste are genuine.

For 1 they have no citation, no log file, just a copy paste with no frame of reference before or after.

For 2. I struggle to hit 5 cast on P99. On top of that I get 4 or 5 "you cannot use that command right now" message per second when I do.

I find it hard to believe he was achieving that without those command losses.

I also find it doubtful he preserved his logs, then decided to use them as evidence, without posting g them.

He also happens to be the only individual producing logs from his PoV. No other log citation is from the wizard itself. They are all 3rd party observers. And every single other log reference, supports my theory.

[feniin]

Originally Posted by Awsten_Tx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Id be lying if I said I believe McVoy's log copy paste are genuine.

For 1 they have no citation, no log file, just a copy paste with no frame of reference before or after.

For 2. I struggle to hit 5 cast on P99. On top of that I get 4 or 5 "you cannot use that command right now" message per second when I do.

I find it hard to believe he was achieving that without those command losses.

I also find it doubtful he preserved his logs, then decided to use them as evidence, without posting g them.

He also happens to be the only individual producing logs from his PoV. No other log citation is from the wizard itself. They are all 3rd party observers. And every single other log reference, supports my theory.

Are you the cops? [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] You've stated your case, man. Let the goblin sort it out.

[baakss]

Originally Posted by Awsten_Tx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

how do you know they are from a single wizard? there is a shaman in the group casting malaisement. This is the kinda "trust me bro" garbage that goes on. Previously it was 6 cast per second when, oh wait, there were 2 wizards in the area.

there isnt an ounce of viable evidence the current function is classic. On the other hand we have 2 different patch notes, and heaps of logs, that show it should of been clickable about 2 or 3 times a second. no more.

You realize the how do you know's go both ways right?

How do you know that a log of a wizard hitting a target 3x per second is the theoretical maximum, and not just someone on a 56k modem with AOL dial-up with an entry level eMachine slow-spamming to avoid finger fatigue on their 1998 heavy, uncomfortable mechanical keyboard?

I find the idea that every log that has more than 3x hits per second to be a multiwizard scenario to be kind of farfetched. For what purpose would 2+ wizards be spamming the same target in each of those logs? That would seem like it should be the exception, rather than the assumed norm.