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Does this have anything to do with the Shaman page being edited? Sections like pet info or specialization on that page went from showing various bits of into to just being links to other guides.

I'm just curious.
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jfc the edit history on this page is quite the back and forth. this is just the latest 50 entries:

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last version before the cataclysm, which doesn't contain alternative facts:

https://wiki.project1999.com/index.p...s&oldid=460673

maybe just add a link at the top of whatever slop is the newest version so people have the option to see what could've been
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Almost as funny as detoxx autistically changing the sod wiki every day
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Does this have anything to do with the Shaman page being edited? Sections like pet info or specialization on that page went from showing various bits of into to just being links to other guides.

I'm just curious.
No not the same people.

But as you can see there's competing ideas on how to make different pages. Some people feel it should be clean and clutter free and anything that has too much info should be a different page while others feel the more info is better. Both ideas are good but hard to reconcile sometimes.
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last version before the cataclysm, which doesn't contain alternative facts:

https://wiki.project1999.com/index.p...s&oldid=460673

maybe just add a link at the top of whatever slop is the newest version so people have the option to see what could've been
You claim "alternate facts" with no examples or evidence. The old formulas were not as accurate as mine, and this is backed up with videos, logs, and code samples. The previous page didn't do that to prove their claims.

Please stop making things up. If you think there is a problem, please show us.

I can show the old page was wrong:

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This was the previous formula:
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Mod] = (Skill + STR) / 100
[Max Damage] = ([Mod] x [Weapon Damage]) + [Main Hand Bonus]

This is wrong. My level 60 Shaman hits for a max of 84 damage with Spear of Fate.

[Mod] = (200 skill + 255 STR) / 100 = 4.55
[Main Hand Bonus] = 0
[Max Damage] = (4.55 x 20) + 0 = 91

The old formula is off by 7. My formula is off by 0.

My level 60 Shadowknight hits for a max of 258 with Ancient Fire Etched Flamberge.

[Mod] = (225 skill + 231 STR) / 100 = 4.56
[Main Hand Bonus] = 37
[Max Damage] = (4.56 x 46) + 37 = 246

The old formula is off by 12. My formula is off by 1.
You can't do the same with the updates. Bcbrown did transcribe the extraPercent clamp wrong on the current version of the page. This will be fixed soon.
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You claim "alternate facts" with no examples or evidence. The old formulas were not as accurate as mine, and this is backed up with videos, logs, and code samples. The previous page didn't do that to prove their claims.

Please stop making things up. If you think there is a problem, please show us.

I can show the old page was wrong:



You can't do the same with the updates. Bcbrown did transcribe the extraPercent clamp wrong on the current version of the page. This will be fixed soon.
You're tailoring the formulas to your god damned self, which is funny, because you don't even raid.

All of this is fuckin stupid. A simple version of the damage formula that takes 0.3 seconds to read and comprehend is better than whatever bullshit you came up with, be it off by a few points per swing on max hit.

The old formula of [(STR + Offense) * Weapon DMG] + Damage Bonus was close enough to calculate max hit. It worked for hundreds of players for years. YOU took it upon yourself to "correct" the formula, which nobody fuckin asked for. And in doing so, you shit up the page with 200+ LINES of unnecessary garbage instead of the 2 FUCKIN LINE explanation for how max hit is calculated.

Bout to log my shaman and record a 91 max hit with the Spear of Fate just to shut you the fuck up.
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You're tailoring the formulas to your god damned self, which is funny, because you don't even raid.

All of this is fuckin stupid. A simple version of the damage formula that takes 0.3 seconds to read and comprehend is better than whatever bullshit you came up with, be it off by a few points per swing on max hit.

The old formula of [(STR + Offense) * Weapon DMG] + Damage Bonus was close enough to calculate max hit. It worked for hundreds of players for years. YOU took it upon yourself to "correct" the formula, which nobody fuckin asked for. And in doing so, you shit up the page with 200+ LINES of unnecessary garbage instead of the 2 FUCKIN LINE explanation for how max hit is calculated.

Bout to log my shaman and record a 91 max hit with the Spear of Fate just to shut you the fuck up.
I raided in Aftermath, the top guild on the server at the time.

I am sorry you want inaccurate information on the wiki. Most people don't.

I have plenty of videos and logs with spear of fate parses. 84 is the max damage. You aren't going to get over 84.

Considering you didn't even know the damage formula to begin with, I am not sure where you think your expertise comes from:

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It used to read (correctly) something along the lines of:

1. Weapon damage * 2 + (STR + Offense / 100)

Until DSM shit it up with his over-complicated mess

...

I put an extra 0, its / 10.

Weapon Damage * 2 + [(STR + OFF) / 10]
Both of these were wrong.
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You're tailoring the formulas to your god damned self, which is funny, because you don't even raid.

All of this is fuckin stupid. A simple version of the damage formula that takes 0.3 seconds to read and comprehend is better than whatever bullshit you came up with, be it off by a few points per swing on max hit.

The old formula of [(STR + Offense) * Weapon DMG] + Damage Bonus was close enough to calculate max hit. It worked for hundreds of players for years. YOU took it upon yourself to "correct" the formula, which nobody fuckin asked for. And in doing so, you shit up the page with 200+ LINES of unnecessary garbage instead of the 2 FUCKIN LINE explanation for how max hit is calculated.

Bout to log my shaman and record a 91 max hit with the Spear of Fate just to shut you the fuck up.
Oh this is nothing. You clearly haven’t read https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...d.php?t=406923. It might take a few days tho
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I raided in Aftermath, the top guild on the server at the time.

I am sorry you want inaccurate information on the wiki. Most people don't.

I have plenty of videos and logs with spear of fate parses. 84 is the max damage. You aren't going to get over 84.

Considering you didn't even know the damage formula to begin with, I am not sure where you think your expertise comes from:


Both of these were wrong.
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