Game Mechanics: Double Damage on Rooted Mobs: Ranger archery in ToV

[CrazyPro]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Permarooted mobs are not rooted. It is a different mechanic. You'll notice because rooted mobs have differing behavior based on who stands closest.

Is there any evidence presented here that shows permarooted mobs are taking less archery damaged compared to non-rooted mobs?

You get a message saying your archery hit did double damage that goes along with the normal hit message on non-rooted non-moving mobs on a 50+ ranger. You do not get this message on permarooted mobs and the damage is noticeably not doubled.

[feniin]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Permarooted mobs are not rooted. It is a different mechanic. You'll notice because rooted mobs have differing behavior based on who stands closest.

Is there any evidence presented here that shows permarooted mobs are taking less archery damaged compared to non-rooted mobs?

Rangers do double damage (identified by an in-game message) to unrooted stationary targets. The rooted dragons are currently not taking double damage. This GREATLY impacts our damage output. Bows are currently not viable at all against Yelinak and stationary ToV dragons.

[Botten]

Originally Posted by baakss [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm fairly certain 0 runspeed mobs should be double damage anyway, and archery not doing double to them is a bug?


https://groups.google.com/g/alt.game...m/1lOJ_UmONRAJ


Here is evidence someone hit a 1025 bowshot against Yelinak in late Velious. This would've been prior to Archery Mastery being available. I do not believe this is possible in Velious without unrooted double damage.

This kind of damage could be done on live during Velious and there are other posts backing that up here: https://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/...2&p=2#comments

But you would be lucky to see anything over 800 damage on P99.

Maybe after the patch the damage will be corrected.

[baakss]

Originally Posted by Botten [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This kind of damage could be done on live during Velious and there are other posts backing that up here: https://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/...2&p=2#comments

But you would be lucky to see anything over 800 damage on P99.

Maybe after the patch the damage will be corrected.

I believe Nilbog did some work on the damage ranges in the other thread. My post was more specifically targeting "rooted" dragons and double bow damage. On P99, bowshots do regular damage to targets like Yelinak and ToV dragons. But on live, I believe the post I linked supports that bowshots were double damage against Yelinak, as a 1025 crit would not have been possible without it in Aug 2001.

[Samoht]

So the issue here is that the double damage message is missing, not that you're not doing double damage?

[Awsten_Tx]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So the issue here is that the double damage message is missing, not that you're not doing double damage?

No, the double damage message is NOT missing. You cannot do double damage on Rooted mobs.

When the staff rooted the dragons they used some sort of perma root. This caused an inadvertant nerf to rangers.

On live, the mobs were set to 0 move speed, or perhaps a 100% SNARE which is different from a root. This is what allowed the big Yelinak hits.

I suspect rangers archery is going to see a slight improvement with the archery bonus correction. So if staff adjust the current "rooted" dragons to instead "move speed 0" dragons it would correct ranger archery damage further.

[Awsten_Tx]

as a follow up, because on live, dragons were not rooted, but instead set to 0 move speed, this allowed them to be moved around and repositioned to trivialize encounters. This is the reason for the BFG nerf.