Pet weapon questions

[Crede]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Look up the latin phrase "Onus probandi incumbit ei qui dicit, non ei qui negat". This is basic stuff humans have known for hundreds of years.

When you say "I know the President of Hungary is a space alien!", that is a positive claim.

You have the burden of proof when making a positive claim.

You shift the burden of proof when you tell people that they need to prove the President of Hungary is not a space alien.

You are welcome for the basic lesson everybody already knows. And it was free!

We still haven’t seen evidence of you root rotting with a shaman in a fast killing group scenario as was requested of you thousands of times where you claimed you could output similar dps to a mage. So it seems you also make claims and do not provide actual evidence.

Since you are apparently still bothered by this claim, I can only assume you need coaching, and I was kind enough to offer you this chance. Perhaps you should spend some time considering it, as it’s been clear you are lacking skill from some of your videos.

[Crede]

Originally Posted by kjs86z2 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

uh huh, ok

sorry your necro sucks compared to my enchanter

laughs in dictate, rapture, slow, and aoe stuns

buT mUh n3cRo dOeS gud xP in HS

lol yea I had a blast charming undead on my necro but enc is a different beast.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Crede [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

We still haven’t seen evidence of you root rotting with a shaman in a fast killing group scenario as was requested of you thousands of times where you claimed you could output similar dps to a mage. So it seems you also make claims and do not provide actual evidence.

Since you are apparently still bothered by this claim, I can only assume you need coaching, and I was kind enough to offer you this chance. Perhaps you should spend some time considering it, as it’s been clear you are lacking skill from some of your videos.

I provided the evidence years ago https://youtu.be/1gdAIheodtY?is=jhFEYRNkVKvAjI9E

A shaman can be doing frenzy while the group does the trash at the bottom, as a simple example.

It is not my fault you are so bad at the game that you cannot imagine someone killing stuff a short distance away from the group. Everyone would still get XP.

What you are doing here is deflecting (changing the subject away from GGR), and classic moving of the goalposts. Any evidence I provide is never good enough, as you will find some excuse to dismiss it.

At the end of the day, I have provided mountains of evidence for my claims over the years. People can just look at my signature for my youtube channel, DPS Calculator, and Shaman Race Guide. You have nothing by comparison.

Perhaps you are just too embarassed to film your own playstyle.

[Defo]

Originally Posted by Crede [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Enc gonna have more options with not relying solely on undead. And c2 + ToT(if casters around) can keep pace with lich, maybe even better? I don’t feel like doing the math. Both phenomenal classes though and imo everyone should play both.

I recently played my friend's Necro for a night, and after having played 60 Enchanter on p99 for years, I was blown away by how smoothly charming on a Necro goes.

Necro has a few tools that Enchanter doesn't that help with charming. The two biggest ones I've seen were the ability to Feign Death while your pet is charmed to reset it.

On my Enchanter: I will break charm, stun the mob, mez it, pacify it, and then repeatedly cast mem blur to blur it, for a total of 4 spells cast minimum, with maybe 2 mezzes and 2-3 mem blur casts. Once I see the 5% uptick in HP, I know it's reset. It costs about 200-250 mana minimum. (Or I will just Pacify my pet and /camp if there is no competition around).

On a Necro, I was able to just Pacify my pet and then Feign Death. Two spells cast, for less than 150 mana.

Another really neat thing about a Necro with epic is that you don't need mana to finish your pet when it's time to kill it. Once charm is broken, you just click your epic and the pet dies in a few ticks. If impatient there are some great undead nukes that are mana efficient to finish off Mobs, and of course Deflux.

Enchanter is still best at charming, obviously, but after having also played Druid, there are some tools that Druid have for charms that Enchanter could greatly benefit from. On an unintentional charm break for druid, it's really simple to use a short duration root, or use Panic Animal for 10 mana (while its Ensnared) to recast charm. Additionally, the damage shield clickie from the Tunare gloves works wonders. And of course clickies like Elder Spiritist Greaves for self-heals or pet heals without mana.

The more I played this game, the more I realized that power comes from not having to use mana in regular play, so that you can save it for "Oh Shit" scenarios. In that regard: both Necro and Druid have much better clickies available than an Enchanter does, but its balanced by the fact that Enchanter has many spells, including PBAE Stun, Slow, Mez, Boon of the Garou, etc.

[Zuranthium]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I provided the evidence years ago https://youtu.be/1gdAIheodtY?is=jhFEYRNkVKvAjI9E

That isn't evidence of better DPS (you did approximately 55), nor is that classic EQ. Your roots will be breaking more frequently in the real game.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That isn't evidence of better DPS (you did approximately 55), nor is that classic EQ. Your roots will be breaking more frequently in the real game.

Lying about my position again. More proof of your trolling and/or reading comprehension issues. Also, we are talking about P99, not your memory of EQ. This video is real P99 lol.

You can check the post history. Even Crede read my posts correctly when he said "similar". It is a lie when people claim I said Shamans can consistently do better DPS than a non-epic mage. Here is a short explaination if you want the context: https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...postcount=5729

This video was an example of doing frenzy while a group below kills trash. I never claimed that was my best gameplay. I was barely trying, and you say I did at least 55 DPS. Shaman pet would add another 15 DPS or so if I had bothered to use it.

And you don't need to take my word for it. Even Troxx, one of my biggest detractors, was doing 80 DPS with his Shaman:

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...postcount=5723

The best focused water pet does around ~65 DPS from the data I've seen. If you are spamming https://wiki.project1999.com/Boots_of_Bladecalling that is another 35 DPS. So a "normal" non-epic mage is doing around 100 DPS. Damage shield damage is highly variable, depending on whos tanking, how fast the mob dies, if the mob is slowed or not, etc.

Most high level groups are not going to care about +30 DPS when compared to the utility a Shaman can provide.

[bcbrown]

Originally Posted by Defo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Enchanter is still best at charming, obviously, but after having also played Druid, there are some tools that Druid have for charms that Enchanter could greatly benefit from. On an unintentional charm break for druid, it's really simple to use a short duration root, or use Panic Animal for 10 mana (while its Ensnared) to recast charm. Additionally, the damage shield clickie from the Tunare gloves works wonders. And of course clickies like Elder Spiritist Greaves for self-heals or pet heals without mana.

The more I played this game, the more I realized that power comes from not having to use mana in regular play, so that you can save it for "Oh Shit" scenarios. In that regard: both Necro and Druid have much better clickies available than an Enchanter does, but its balanced by the fact that Enchanter has many spells, including PBAE Stun, Slow, Mez, Boon of the Garou, etc.

I think it's really fun how there's four different charm classes and they all have such unique approaches. Bards can go non-stop indefinitely in the right zone but their charm only lasts 3-4 ticks. Druids can do some cool things with snare-parking to move mobs around, plus roots, heals, I think the best pet haste in the game at 70%, and as you mentioned so many awesome clickies. For necro I'm really enjoying FD for letting you easily recover a bad situation, which really helps out with the learning curve, and with Rest the Dead it makes resetting a pet into a breeze.

I've tried enchanter but never really got into it, and never got past level 20. It seems like the most powerful, with the fewest restrictions on what you can charm and wear, but also like a bit of a glass cannon who's gonna eat the most deaths of the four charm classes.

[Defo]

Originally Posted by bcbrown [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think it's really fun how there's four different charm classes and they all have such unique approaches. Bards can go non-stop indefinitely in the right zone but their charm only lasts 3-4 ticks. Druids can do some cool things with snare-parking to move mobs around, plus roots, heals, I think the best pet haste in the game at 70%, and as you mentioned so many awesome clickies. For necro I'm really enjoying FD for letting you easily recover a bad situation, which really helps out with the learning curve, and with Rest the Dead it makes resetting a pet into a breeze.

I've tried enchanter but never really got into it, and never got past level 20. It seems like the most powerful, with the fewest restrictions on what you can charm and wear, but also like a bit of a glass cannon who's gonna eat the most deaths of the four charm classes.

Oh definitely. I have only ever died while charming on my Druid when I was playing recklessly. Meanwhile, I expect to die and have to do naked corpse runs on my Enchanter. It's one of the reasons its so hard for me to level a new enchanter. At 60, you've finally gotten all the spells that help with survivability, and you finally have enough HP and Mana to not immediately go SPLAT when shit hits the fan. But the levelling process, especially pre level 34 or so is chock full of what feels like very inefficient charm soloing and corpse runs [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Zuranthium]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Lying about my position again.

Nope, that's just your own constant lack of comprehension and distortion. 55 DPS is not the same as doing 110 DPS. The semantic of "same" or "more" is irrelevant since you failed to show the ability to do the same amount of DPS, but of course you try to latch onto a strawman.

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Also, we are talking about P99

p99 is supposed to be as accurate of a recreation of classic EQ as possible, and has those changes coming.

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Damage shield damage is highly variable

Not over time, you can't just discount it.

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Shaman pet would add another 15 DPS or so if I had bothered to use it.

You won't be able to use Shaman pet there, it's going to be too far away to take commands.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Nope, that's just your own constant lack of comprehension and distortion. 55 DPS is not the same as doing 110 DPS. The semantic of "same" or "more" is irrelevant since you failed to show the ability to do the same amount of DPS, but of course you try to latch onto a strawman.



p99 is supposed to be as accurate of a recreation of classic EQ as possible, and has those changes coming.



Not over time, you can't just discount it.



You won't be able to use Shaman pet there, it's going to be too far away to take commands.

You didin't read my previous post. You just look like a clown.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...6&postcount=96

The simple fact that you didn't even read Troxx doing 80 DPS with his Shaman, and he literally has "The sands of DSM's Vagina" as his location shows you cannot have a debate in good faith. Everybody already knows this though.

I can keep farming evidence of your trolling and lack of reading if you want, but you are just making yourself look foolish. It is shocking that you think you have the upper hand here.

If you had read the post I linked:

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Mages without Epic are doing more like 65 DPS via Water Pet, 16 DPS via Damage Shield, and 25 DPS from something like Burnt Wood Staff. So something like 106 DPS, or 116 DPS with Boots of Bladecalling if memory serves. If the mob is 75% slowed, you'd lose 12 DPS from the Damage shield, so 94 DPS to 102 DPS.

I have already taken damage shield into account. That is why I said +30 DPS instead of +20 DPS. ~110 Mage DPS - ~80 Shaman DPS = 30 DPS. I said damage shield damage is variable because it's true. I don't want to claim a mage is always getting full damage shield DPS, because that isn't true.

If you want to claim high level groups desparately need 30 DPS, you'll need to provide some example camps and group compositions.