Troll Shaman Starter Points

[Rainflush]

Originally Posted by johnny ringo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

make an ogre shaman or youll regreat it later

Perhaps he doesn't want to make an ogre shaman.

[Yukahwa]

Trolls have heinous base wisdom and decent base stamina so this is a pretty interesting question because it is an extreme example of the Stamina at the start question. Low levels will be pretty obnoxious when you have enough mana to cast about 3 spells, but on a shaman does it stamina really pay off all that well even when the character is maxed out?

[Kevlar]

ogre stun immune is next to pointless on a non-melee class. Sure you can melee low blue mobs down, but pet kiting or root rotting are just as efficient. You want to double your efficiency? Get a hunting partner.

[Humerox]

The only advantage Trolls have over Ogres in early game is base regen, and that's nullified hi-end.

Only shammies you'll see soloing Lodi will be Ogres [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That said, if you are bound and determined to go Troll, STA is where I'd go.

[vageta31]

Originally Posted by Kevlar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

ogre stun immune is next to pointless on a non-melee class. Sure you can melee low blue mobs down, but pet kiting or root rotting are just as efficient. You want to double your efficiency? Get a hunting partner.

Actually I consider Shamans a melee class up until the highest levels. Stun immunity comes in handy if you get aggro and need to root to take a step back.

I'm not sure why this is even argued. Ogre's are the best at any class they can choose. Doesn't mean you have to play one, but no sense denying the truth. With all the talk about how sta > than all stats, Ogres start out with the highest of any race. There's not even a close 2nd in this regard.

Regen is great for soloing at low levels, but with regen spells it ranks less than a class that can't heal. Troll SK's and Iksar Necro's are perfect examples of classes where it does matter more. At high levels if you're able to get a fungi and stack it with a regen spell, that extra little regen from a troll/iksar means little when the Ogre has more hps and won't be interrupted as easily during his casting when that one spell can make or break the fight.

[purist]

some thoughts

thought #1 - don't listen to anything mardur says, he doesn't play a shaman and has no idea what he's talking about

thought #2 - ask someone who actually plays a shaman and knows what they're talking about like jeremy

thought #3 - lmao, going max sta as shaman is even stupider than going all intelligence

thought #4 - news flash, you can self-buff your own sta by +40 as a shaman, and let me tell you, it adds like ~50 hp maybe at lvl 50-60? that's like ONE whole cannibalize? so putting +25 in sta would give you like +35 extra hp, tell me what does that do for you? you guessed it, jack shit

thought #5 - think about it, would you rather spend 25 points in STA and have +35 extra HP.. Or go +25 in WIS, have like ~125 more mana, and focus your gear on +HP and +AC items

thought #6 - go ogre or go home

logic'd

[blizzil]

Any shaman can solo lodi -- I've played ogre and troll shamans to endgame and I enjoy Troll more, the regen is that good ...

With a Fungi and regrowth you can just root / regen your life back in most situations. Stun Immunity and extra basestats rock for an ogre, but not as OP as the regen

Throw in the prayer shawl + ft items later, its lights out.

[soup]

Two things:
1. Ogre is absolutely the best shaman race. It's not even really debatable. However, it's not really a big deal. I really wish I had the stun immunity sometimes, but overall I'm perfectly fine without it.

2. HP>>>>>>>>WIS>STA

[Kevlar]

In a group setting a troll with canni is going to outperform an ogre by far. So will all the other races with larger mana pools in an extended engagement.

Who cares if stun immunity lets you solo a tiny bit more safely. For doing the majority of shaman duties the ogre is the least efficient race. Shaman are a fairly weak solo class anyway. If you want to solo you want a class that can charm.

With my ench I'd take a ranger over a shaman partner any day. Ensnare is really all ya need to whoop some ass with an overpowered charmed pet.

[soup]

You know you probably shouldn't listen to someone's shaman advice when they say something like:

Shaman are a fairly weak solo class anyway.