Hasbinbad betrays RnF

[G13]

Originally Posted by Daldolma [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't really understand the discussion of double standards. Koota's ban and the resulting raid ban was an isolated incident. This ban occurred in the midst of 365 account suspensions, all of which were granted leniency. If fairness is the goal, then the least fair outcome would be to grant some leniency while holding others to past precedent. Either everyone is banned and TR is raid suspended, or everyone is suspended and TR is left alone. Either scenario is fair -- but you can't pick and choose.

At least that's my opinion.

What other raiding guild had an officer suspended for using a 3rd party hack?

Secondly the idea of there being "fairness" in regards to cheaters is a ridiculous premise. The fair thing to do would be to ban all accounts permanently. Those are the rules. Hack/cheat = ban.

The irony here is this is indeed an isolated incident in regards to guild leadership being caught hacking. TR/IB was the only guild that has their raid leader/officer suspended for using a 3rd party hack. He even admitted to using it during a competitive raid.

The rules are the rules and past precedent has already been set. As Nilbog stated previously, officers/raid leaders and leadership of guilds in general are held to a higher standard by development than the regular players, which is why Nilbog and Rogean's lack of action concerning this matter is perplexing.

Guild leaders certainly can't police every member, but they better be able to police themselves. Either Xzerion knew about this and allowed to happen, or he's too stupid to realize his hand picked officers are cheating.

[Enygmad]

Originally Posted by Enygma [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Whole lotta QQ'ing.

Sworen

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[Enygmad]

Originally Posted by G13 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The usual played out Bronson rhetoric.

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[Pico]

aren't you the one who just made the giant whiny thread?

[Enygmad]

Originally Posted by Pico [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

aren't you the one who just made the giant whiny thread?

Yes.

Thanks,

Sworen

[Dark Knight]

Originally Posted by Csihar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There's 2 dudes making out in your avatar.

[Knuckle]

tags: updog

[Appollo]

Originally Posted by G13 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Your hypocrisy is disappointing

After all you were the one who spoke with Nilbog and Rogean during DA's raid suspension. You, more than anyone, understand the reasons why DA was a given raid suspension. A member in a position of leadership (Officer/raid leader/ect) was caught using a 3rd party hack during a competitive raid. Perun was caught and has admitted to using a 3rd party hack during a competitive raid. This is beyond refute.

These are the rules. All the emotional arguments and TR/IB trolling/hand wringing are irrelevant and have nothing to do with the server rules.

Why TR/IB hasn't at the very least been raid suspended yet for 2 weeks is a slap in the face to the community by development. Rogean you need to do the right thing and hand down the proper punishment to TR/IB please.

Clearly TR/IB has met the exact same criteria previously met by DA that warrants a raid suspension, yet we have Appollo are agreeing with Hasbinbad? /boggle

I respectfully disagree with your assessment of my "hypocrisy". Let me set something straight that was apparently misinterpreted: I agree with you wholeheartedly that the punishment was not befitting for what happened and is not congruent with precedent set by the server staff. Something more should have been done, i.e. 1 week raid suspension for the entire guild.

However, do not mistake my agreement with Hasbinbad as anything more than an agreement with his assessment of the forums.

Nevertheless, I do not view Rants and Flames as the proper forum to bring that disagreement. I would prefer to speak with Rogean and Nilbog personally on the matter and voice my concern through that avenue. Not the least of which because it will yield results, whereas posting in here will inevitably fall on deaf ears. I long ago gave up on attempting to accomplish anything of value in a forum entitled "Rants and Flames", I figure the title of the forum should lend some credence as to what to expect.

[Enygma]

lawl... he made a forum troll in my honor. My work here is done [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I provided enough hard evidence that he raged irl and said "i know I'll troll him".

GG. THX.

I retire as winner of RnF.

Bai,

Sworen

[G13]

Originally Posted by Appollo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I respectfully disagree with your assessment of my "hypocrisy". Let me set something straight that was apparently misinterpreted: I agree with you wholeheartedly that the punishment was not befitting for what happened and is not congruent with precedent set by the server staff. Something more should have been done, i.e. 1 week raid suspension for the entire guild.

However, do not mistake my agreement with Hasbinbad as anything more than an agreement with his assessment of the forums.

Nevertheless, I do not view Rants and Flames as the proper forum to bring that disagreement. I would prefer to speak with Rogean and Nilbog personally on the matter and voice my concern through that avenue. Not the least of which because it will yield results, whereas posting in here will inevitably fall on deaf ears. I long ago gave up on attempting to accomplish anything of value in a forum entitled "Rants and Flames", I figure the title of the forum should lend some credence as to what to expect.

Then we are in agreement and I was wrong for calling you a hypocrite. I apologize.