Ragefire Agreement/Rotation

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Ragefire is triggered by Naggy's death. Thus, if the rest of the server isn't happy with TMO/IB's agreement, I give you this.

Originally Posted by Rogean [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Q: What rules pertain to raid mobs that are triggered spawns?
A: If a raid mob is triggered to spawn by killing a single mob before it (Example: Statue -> Idol -> Avatar of War), the guild that spawned the mob has 20 minutes to engage it. The mob is open to any other guild on a first to engage basis once the first guild has either wiped or not engaged within the time limit.

Thus, the guild that kills Naggy, will have claim to Ragefire. As later in the patch, The following Ragefire's triggered by the before Ragefire, will also be considered that guild's. Unless they fail.

Hmm, wonder who all is in favor of that instead of the agreement.

[Lazortag]

What's up guys? Just because someone with a Divinity tag says something you disagree with is no reason to diss Divinity. No single member of the guild represents everyone in the guild, that would be ridiculous. Criticizing people for their guild affiliations is what people do when they can't come up with good arguments.

Elethia seems like a perfectly reasonable person and I doubt he/she was trying to offend anyone. I also disagree that he/she was ignoring guilds other than VD/IB/TMO because at the end of the original post it says:

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Due to the nature of the Cleric epic and Ragefire spawn, it is required that Nagafen be killed in order for Ragefire to spawn. The three guilds currently in this rotation are looking at ways to incorporate other guilds/clerics into this agreement once the rotation becomes implemented. ... Thoughts and input are welcomed on this point.

The problem was that when someone asked how Taken/Div/BDA would enter into the rotation, the answers ranged from "you need to demonstrate that you're willing to poopsock", to "you have to kill Naggy", with the occasional jab at small guilds for supposedly being unskilled. Both of those requirements are completely stupid. If you need to demonstrate willingness to poopsock, then people will just poopsock, which is bad. So why not skip the poopsocking part and let people enter into the rotation randomly after the first five clerics from that list are done? No one is asking for welfare, we're asking to avoid an unnecessary time sink that doesn't require any skill or effort.

Basically I think if you've already devoted an insane amount of time to the camp, you should be prioritized. But an agreement should be set up to avoid people having to spend so much time on it in the future.

As for having to kill Naggy, let's be reasonable here - I'm pretty sure every raid guild on this server has killed Naggy. If demonstrating the "ability" to kill a mob is what mattered, we'd have been on a VS rotation a long time ago ;)

[maverixdamighty]

That rule is also talking about a direct spawn not a triggered timer. Stretch at best.

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Originally Posted by maverixdamighty [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That rule is also talking about a direct spawn not a triggered timer. Stretch at best.

I give you Keeper of Souls in Plane of Sky.

[Skope]

KoS is a triggered timer (kill a griff, start timer). He actually should have a small window where he spawns and not an exact 70mins (or whatever). It was also put there because of PoSky. I was there the day DA made troll accounts to bitch at Div because Rogean said we both had done enough to claim KoS (think you had to clear more than 2 griff or pegasuseseses). Anyway, it doesn't do anything to ease the poopsock or the mess that naggy will become if it means that nag's kill is attached to ragefire, it only alleviates the issue by placing it elsewhere (FTE naggy).

Wiggl : i suspect we could get enough support to just overwhelm the camp. the rotation thing is pretty much why im not going to bother for 6 months

Fix this.

[Maultriss]

If NO other guild existed on this server and it was only you and your buddies playing. You would have to kill Naggy to get to Ragefire. It isn't an absurd standard to go by and not quite fair to expect others to kill Naggy for you so you get can Ragefire.

Relapsee's proposition isn't a bad one, however, it will lead to insanity during Naggy kills and BDA/Taken/Divinity won't have a prayer and will totally be left out.

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Originally Posted by Skope [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

KoS is a triggered timer. He actually should have a small window where he spawns and not an exact 70mins (or whatever). It was also put there because of PoSky. I was there the day DA made troll accounts to bitch at Div because Rogean said we both had done enough to claim KoS (think you had to clear more than 2 griff or pegasuseseses). Anyway, it doesn't do anything to ease the poopsock or the mess that naggy will become if it means that nag's kill is attached to ragefire, it only alleviates the issue by placing it elsewhere (FTE naggy).



Fix this.

ib/tmo/vd already fight for FTE on naggy (tho not as harsh and seeing how we already worked an agreement with ourselves...) The only thing it does is block out the rest of the server who do not already "compete" for naggy due to reasons previously stated.

I am showing you what could be in place for the rest of the server, instead of this agreement. Something that is supported by the rules in place.

[EverquestJunkie]

Originally Posted by maverixdamighty [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Agreed if you want to sock more power to you, but making an agreement between 3 guilds and expecting everyone else to just go along with it with no incentive is a bit far fetched.

[maverixdamighty]

Much better comparison but that I don't know a rule is in place for that. Don't believe that rule applies. Going back to relapses' idea that favorably impacts everyone involved imo. Tmo and ib/vd get yours first and it gives other guilds an opportunity to get it without the sockfests. Add in u can hit other targets instead of worrying about naggy.

[Skope]

The current rules aren't the biggie, it's the massive window and sockfests that its created that leave others out and you get threads like these, where each side throws poop at each other and yet both agree that the problem needs fixing. Fix the dumbass windows and you'll fix the ragefire situation, and certainly the complaining from those of us left out.