Ragefire Agreement/Rotation

[shorttin]

Originally Posted by Radiskull [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Don't get sick of poopsocking and expect anyone else on the server to not do exactly what you have been doing. If you stop clicking air, it's a free spawn, period. Since it is apparently only you 3, the agreement works out. Any SINGLE person can completely disrupt the cycle, and are not wrong in doing so. Any GM enforcement of this cycle would be out of line. If they want to make a rule about the turn in, such as first in first out, that's something I could get on board with. THIS (being publicly posted) is not the answer to the server Ragefire issue, it's an answer to the TMO, IB, VD Ragefire issue.

[Jimes]

I'm pretty sure the people involved are not trying to force this agreement on anyone else, so stop acting like that's some great point. This is an agreement between themselves. If you and your guild think you can kill the mobs in question, then by all means go for it. Chances are you won't/can't.

[Autotune]

Originally Posted by Radiskull [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think everyone can agree that this should NOT have been posted in the server chat forums, it most certainly should have been kept in guild. It is a 100% effective way for the 2 guilds (VD if the other two guilds involved want to involve them) to sort this issue out.

With that being said... Every one of those 5 clerics wasted 72+ hours of their life doing what no one else was willing to do. IB and DA created an environment where you have to poopsock to get highly contested mobs. You want sympathy from non-IB and non-TMO members about this situation? Just stop. If Amelinda reimbursed a SINGLE shard, she did her job wrong, IMO. You want to click air and risk your epic piece, fine, don't cry when you lose it. If you want to sit and click air for hours and hours on end, that's your perogative and you deserve to have your epic before anyone not willing to do that. But now you want to stop doing that, and expect everyone else on the server to stop doing the same after you started it? No one ever forced any of you to sit and click air. You brought it on yourselves. Of course you want a break, but if you want your epic in this raid environment continue to click air. If a Taken, BDA, Divinity or (insert random guild) member shows up and clicks before you, you lose. They have to deal with the repercussions of said action, but you're all still playing by the same rules. You're trying to create seperate rules for the highest end raiders, it's offensive. Continue to do what you've done to stay on top. Don't ask for a respite.

Don't get sick of poopsocking and expect anyone else on the server to not do exactly what you have been doing. If you stop clicking air, it's a free spawn, period. Since it is apparently only you 3, the agreement works out. Any SINGLE person can completely disrupt the cycle, and are not wrong in doing so. Any GM enforcement of this cycle would be out of line. If they want to make a rule about the turn in, such as first in first out, that's something I could get on board with. THIS (being publicly posted) is not the answer to the server Ragefire issue, it's an answer to the TMO, IB, VD Ragefire issue.

Originally Posted by Autotune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This rotation should not have been posted until it had run it's initial ib/tmo course and actually included everyone. People are too stupid to realize past their own interests.

First, there is nothing stopping anyone from breaking this, I agree. However, It most likely won't be IB or TMO fucking with each other. Thus, if a random from some guild comes to mess with another guild, you're going to see that guild get shit on by IB/TMO for making their collective lives harder (we do it to each other, don't think we won't do it to you).

Second, While I do agree Ninik deserves her epic more than most of the clerics on this server, I can understand the 'time invested' part. This pre-rotation of rotations will run it's course then all the other guilds can run in and start their own bullshit if they want (i'm sure it will happen).

So yeah, Taken, BDA, Divinity or any other guild could come in and start clicking IB or TMO's air, but what you're opening is going to be way worse than what you imagine. As you will effectively guarantee that your guild not get an epic as easy as you would have.

Aka, you idiots just don't know.

[Radiskull]

Stealin, you fall into the category of people too stupid to see part their own interest. I have zero interest in ever doing anything with this camp. This is a collection of guilds trying to assert their power over guilds who won't or can't stoop to their level. Then you change the level you're willing to stoop to. I don't understand how you think it's fair to not let EVERYONE who can do what you're doing in on it. If you poopsock, everyone has to poopsock. If you don't poopsock, no one has to poopsock. You want everyone else on the server to abide by YOUR set of rules on this one camp. Be realistic.

[Jimes]

Originally Posted by Radiskull [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is a collection of guilds trying to assert their power over guilds who won't or can't stoop to their level.

I'll say it again, this is an agreement between those involved and is not binding on anyone else at all.

[Radiskull]

Jimes, reread the first post and get back to me. It literally says we think the server can accept.

[Radiskull]

And I'm sorry, I understand this is only an agreement between the aforementioned guilds, I just question whether the guilds know this only applies to their guilds. And for only as long as those guilds agree to it.

[Jimes]

It doesn't matter what it says, because the fact remains that it is not binding to anyone. If <random family guild> wants to do the camp, they can. Are they going to mobilize faster than the usual suspects, or even be able to get the kill if they are faster? Signs point to probably not.

[Radiskull]

My point exactly. Why say it in server chat?

[Kassel]

ITT: Guilds who refused to click air for 72 hours, threating to click air for 72 hours.