Game Mechanics: Mem blur and HP

[YendorLootmonkey]

A few things:

a) So far, the only ones calling this an exploit so far are the members of the guild that its being used against. Of course they're going to call it an exploit... even though they've used it before in the past and apparently it was okay then, and we're supposed to take their word for it that they honestly had no idea that would happen, because they've never used the mem blur spell before ever in the history of P99.

b) When you are charmed and then charm fades, if you are outside the aggro range of the mob, you are not on the aggro list anymore. Test it. It just happened to me pulling Gorenaire today, so I know it is fact. Therefore you did not have FTE on Talendor because your puller's aggro dropped, and you interfered with our raid by mem blurring Talendor. Nothing was ever done, so we have assumed it was not considered an exploit (although it would be considered raid interference outside of VP).

c) If a dev/GM can just pop in here and say it's officially an exploit, we will happily stop using the tactic we learned from TMO. Meanwhile, you all can thank Qados for this confusion/mess.

[Silentone]

Originally Posted by YendorLootmonkey [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

A few things:

a) So far, the only ones calling this an exploit so far are the members of the guild that its being used against. Of course they're going to call it an exploit... even though they've used it before in the past and apparently it was okay then, and we're supposed to take their word for it that they honestly had no idea that would happen, because they've never used the mem blur spell before ever in the history of P99.

b) When you are charmed and then charm fades, if you are outside the aggro range of the mob, you are not on the aggro list anymore. Test it. It just happened to me pulling Gorenaire today, so I know it is fact. Therefore you did not have FTE on Talendor because your puller's aggro dropped, and you interfered with our raid by mem blurring Talendor. Nothing was ever done, so we have assumed it was not considered an exploit (although it would be considered raid interference outside of VP).

c) If a dev/GM can just pop in here and say it's officially an exploit, we will happily stop using the tactic we learned from TMO. Meanwhile, you all can thank Qados for this confusion/mess.

Have you seriously just resorted to trolling this thread, its obvious you know what you are doing, is this like a back up plan in case your guild gets banned? im confused.

[Kinosh]

No it was not in the classics, I see this as an exploit for sure. They need to fix this straightaway.

[YendorLootmonkey]

Originally Posted by Silentone [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Have you seriously just resorted to trolling this thread, its obvious you know what you are doing, is this like a back up plan in case your guild gets banned? im confused.

What's confusing?

We learned the tactic from you on Talendor.

Now that it's being done to you, you cry EXPLOITZ.

What's confusing to me is the double-standard.

Awaiting a GM response so we can put this issue to bed and move on.

[AenarieFenninRo]

If Rogean posted this:

Originally Posted by Rogean [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm going to be coding in a mem blur immunity flag, and nilbog or I will go through all the raid mobs, including some epic mobs, to flag them for both mem blur immunity and charm immunity.

Then Yendor's argument of this:

Originally Posted by YendorLootmonkey [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Once there is an official ruling on it being an exploit, I'm sure it will stop being done. As it has been done to us in the past and there has been no ruling on it, we are left to assume it is a legit tactic. Otherwise we're left with a "it's okay when we do it to you, but holy crap it's EXPLOITZ when it's done to us!!1!" situation.

becomes null and void. Rogean stated that it would / should / needed to be fixed.... which makes an implication that this is INCORRECT, thus a bug, and continuing to memblur mobs would thus be considered AN EXPLOIT.

Can we please now get back to the fact that this is a BUG REPORT and not a RNF discussion?

[Zapatos]

Your problem shouldn't be with the mem-blur line of spells. It should be with how raid encounters reset out of combat. Currently, the benefit to fully resetting is that rival guilds cannot hover nearby waiting for guild A to wipe, then jumping in for the kill shot while the mob is at X low percent (unless they aggro before the wipe, i.e. interfere). But that's aside the point. You need to show evidence of how raid encounters are supposed to reset if you want the devs to listen.

Rogean implied he would be going through raid bosses and epic NPCs to flag for immunity to the various charm/mem blur/mez spells, though he did not specific which, or even if VP would be affected. That would also be a different thread. For all we know, they may have already gone through flagging things and left VP unaffected, being a no-csr zone, to keep the element for forcing the guilds in there to have to learn how to play nice and share things together. An answer on whether or not VP mobs would be flagged would be helpful.

Edit for the comment below: VP is a NO CSR zone. Just like you can't train/grief anywhere else, but for vp, it's safe enough to wonder whether or not it will fall under rogean's flagging. I'm not being ignorant of anything, I'm just saying consider it's an option until something else is said or done about it.

I'm commenting here from a neutral standpoint, and I am not, nor do I have access to an enchanter. Nor have I bothered to train any of you angry people in VP; so no need to RnF more.

[AenarieFenninRo]

nilbog or I will go through all the raid mobs, including some epic mobs

[Xanthias]

Originally Posted by Xanthias [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is NOT Rants and Flames.
This is Bugs forum.
Take the my sword is bigger than yours talk there.

This is a bug, Rogean said as much.
Just curious when it will be fixed.

Thank you

[Ambrotos]

All of you stop baiting each other.

As far as I'm concerned this is no different than the pathing that is being taken advantage in there. When it gets fixed it gets fixed. Unless Rogean starts making new rules and starts dictating the PnP in VP then it's fair game till something is said.

Don't like it? Work something out till then.

[Autotune]

Originally Posted by Ambrotos [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

All of you stop baiting each other.

As far as I'm concerned this is no different than the pathing that is being taken advantage in there. When it gets fixed it gets fixed. Unless Rogean starts making new rules and starts dictating the PnP in VP then it's fair game till something is said.

Don't like it? Work something out till then.

so exploiting known bugs is fine in VP? This is seriously the staff response?

As far as the pathing in VP, unless you just purposely died to mobs when they aggro you, there is little way to not take advantage of it.

and Afaik, not one mob in VP has been killed due to the crappy pathing, but i bet if we started doing that, it would be against the rules.