Idea to stop all the fighting

[Treats]

Originally Posted by Autotune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm not derailing anything, if it wasn't you that was standing and flopping from BDA, it was another of your monks.

Perhaps you shouldn't claim it.

Either way, you missed the entire point. It was about perspective of a situation from two different sides. You see it as being trained, I see it as you trying to KS a pull (purposely or not). Both things happened, which guild is to blame for what?

Should TMO be punished because you engaged a target that wasn't yours to gain social aggro and a train wiped most of your force?

Should BDA be punished for engaging a target that wasn't from their pull to which they caused themselves to be trained?

And the rules of engagement is FTE lays claim to the mob. The train that comes with it (if there is one) is also that guilds. Placing yourself onto the hate list by engaging another guild's mob is against the rules. Training another guild is against the rules.

If I root an entire train and someone starts using cancel magic to remove the CC and get added to the aggro list and dies, am i responsible for them too? Am I responsible for anyone else's actions that are not wearing my guild tag?

You all seem to want hand holding from GMs. You seem to want a trophy for just showing up. You seem to think your actions should not be held accountable when things don't go your way.

On the fairy tale note that is your final question tho, I think once a guild wipes, it's fair game.

Inny should have died to you guys long before we even showed up. When we found out that you guys had wiped and VD was on the way up, we moved to kill Inny so VD wouldn't. I couldn't care less who got it, as long as wasn't VD.

You and the other shitbags with this mentality are the exact problem with P99. People just cannot fucking bow out and leave/not come if another guild is in the zone and has beat them fair and square to a target. Do anything you can to get FTE whether it be training/leapfrogging/memblurring etc, who gives a fuck about anyone else.

Heres a wild fucking idea -- Maybe if you didn't port up to Hate after knowing two guilds were allready there, you wouldn't have to come here and defend the results of what happened.

It's gotten to the point where its absolutely fucking pathetic and I'm ashamed to even be part of the server. Grow up.

[falkun]

And by your reasoning whichever guild pulls the train should get the mob because the other(s) should camp out to avoid train aggro. So the new raiding philosophy is not "get the raid mob", its "train the other guild until they camp out".

[Autotune]

Originally Posted by falkun [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And by your reasoning whichever guild pulls the train should get the mob because the other(s) should camp out to avoid train aggro. So the new raiding philosophy is not "get the raid mob", its "train the other guild until they camp out".

except the train would have come to our camp, where we could have CC'd it properly and killed it after Inny. Instead, people derailed it onto their own camp by trying to KS it as it all passed thru them.

Some people don't understand the logic of how the mechanics work i suppose.

If you don't place yourself on the aggro list of a mob already aggrod by another, it won't stop and attack you. It will keep going for the other people on the aggro list.

The BDA monk above apparently doesn't understand this.

[quido]

The next time TMO and VD are racing for Talendor, I'm going to park our raid right between VD and Talendor, and when they have him incoming I'm going to tag him and when their puller FDs or whatever and their whole train attacks me, I'm going to come here and bitch to you all.

[falkun]

You still interfered with another raid camp with a train. Even if none of them aggroed, the train running through their camp is going to social aggro SOMEONE, the bards at least if not any other persons. Once you have a train, it is yours to control. If it paths through another camp, it is still yours to control. TR/IB was raid suspended when this happened to them for VS. It doesn't matter what the train does, its yours, and it wiped another raid. Did TMO not petition that VS kill to make that ruling?

[Metallikus]

Originally Posted by Autotune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

except the train would have come to our camp, where we could have CC'd it properly and killed it after Inny. Instead, people derailed it onto their own camp by trying to KS it as it all passed thru them.

Some people don't understand the logic of how the mechanics work i suppose.

If you don't place yourself on the aggro list of a mob already aggrod by another, it won't stop and attack you. It will keep going for the other people on the aggro list.

The BDA monk above apparently doesn't understand this.

Apparently Stealin hasn't learned a simple game mechanic: If you pull multiple mobs thru a camp where people are buffing or fighting other mobs, the proximity of that combat and or buffing will chain agro any and all mobs that come thru that camp especially giant Gods with high agro range that AE.

[quido]

Going and sitting on the only path between the zone-in and a raid mob doesn't give you a rightful claim to that mob. When you choose to setup your camp in the way of imminent danger, you have no one to blame but yourselves.

[Autotune]

Originally Posted by falkun [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You still interfered with another raid camp with a train. Even if none of them aggroed, the train running through their camp is going to social aggro SOMEONE, the bards at least if not any other persons. Once you have a train, it is yours to control. If it paths through another camp, it is still yours to control. TR/IB was raid suspended when this happened to them for VS. It doesn't matter what the train does, its yours, and it wiped another raid. Did TMO not petition that VS kill to make that ruling?

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1) You will not get social aggro from anything just by standing around it or casting buffs on yourself if a mob runs by while already aggro'd on someone else. I watched an IB monk attempt to give us social aggro on mobs in fear. I've tested it myself on my own guild members.

2) TR/IB was raid suspended because their bard brought a train back to VS and then died under our tank with the train. There by dropping the train on our raid.

3) We petitioned that he brought a train back and dropped it on us. We didn't petition because he pulled VS and we put ourselves on his social aggro and that social aggro of the train came and killed us when he died.

[Metallikus]

Originally Posted by quido [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Going and sitting on the only path between the zone-in and a raid mob doesn't give you a rightful claim to that mob. When you choose to setup your camp in the way of imminent danger, you have no one to blame but yourselves.

I do agree that BDA setting up camp there was illogical since that is roamer central.

It doesn't excuse you from training them. Give them dudes a break.

[Autotune]

Originally Posted by Metallikus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Apparently Stealin hasn't learned a simple game mechanic: If you pull multiple mobs thru a camp where people are buffing or fighting other mobs, the proximity of that combat and or buffing will chain agro any and all mobs that come thru that camp especially giant Gods with high agro range that AE.

you're an idiot, i'm not surprised you know little of how EQ works on p99.

Getting AE'd by Inny will not put you on his aggro list. Getting AE'd by inny and your pet attacks him will put you on his aggro list.

Casting buffs on yourself will not give you social aggro to mobs running by. Casting buffs on someone with aggro will give you aggro to the mobs and social aggro on all the mobs after the person who was originally on the aggro list dies/fds/gates/whatever.

You don't get social aggro immediately if someone gathers more mobs after you buff him either. You won't get it until he dies and the others assist when they go to seek mode.

If you want to know more about how some of this stuff works, just ask.