Is Diablo 3's release this summer going to seriously hurt our population?

[fischsemmel]

Originally Posted by Kwitchercryn [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Wow was fun for a little while, then they dumbed it down so every 8 year old could understand it.

I hate people who bitch about WoW being easy as if 1) the entire game is easy and 2) any other MMO is any harder and 3) they could faceroll WoW heroics or HMs without overgearing and knowing the fights ahead of time and being in vent with a handful of RL friends.

[SCB]

Originally Posted by fischsemmel [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I hate people who bitch about WoW being easy as if 1) the entire game is easy and 2) any other MMO is any harder and 3) they could faceroll WoW heroics or HMs without overgearing and knowing the fights ahead of time and being in vent with a handful of RL friends.

Those who call WoW easy and demonize it either never did any content worth talking about or they equate "not grindy" with "easy".

Top-end raid content in WoW, even during the "easy" WotLK era is harder than any content ever released in EQ (this isn't really saying much, but it's always the hardcore "EQ SO HARD" people on this server saying it).

The bottom line is WoW was a fun game, but because every expansion shifted how it was played, it will always have a lot of detractors who preferred a certain style.

[fischsemmel]

Originally Posted by Lorraine [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Even DoTA has a bigger funbase/playerbase than entire companies would dream/envy of having - right now.

Originally Posted by Scavrefamn [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Actually DotA's (paying/registered/active) fanbase is low compared to what Riot/League of Legends has.

I'm afraid your statement is rooted in ignorance, sir.

Actually, Lorraine's statement is 100% true. There are definitely entire companies that would dream of having a following the size of DoTA's.

Herp derp.

[Kika Maslyaka]

+1 to the notion that WoW is not as "easy" as people tend it to believe.
cartoonish - yes, casual - yes, easy to level up - yes, no raiding competition - yes, anti-social (to a point) - yes
But high end raids are tough
SCB is right saying that Blizz keeps changing it around too many times, which causes people who played during vanila not to like BC, people from BC era not to like WotLK, etc.

I am not much of a WoW player (I have a free account thought, and occasionally like to log in to my mage and shot firebolts [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] ) personally I really didn't like WotLK/Cata changes to talent system. I liked original freedom of picking up ANY talents I wanted, and talent picks determined the specialization. Being hard locked into a specific spec eliminated entire need for having a talent system.

However with MoP (Mists of Pandaria) they again changing the system from having lots of multi-rank talents into few but BIG talents. I think they moving into right direction, they just need to drop the forced spec, and allow people to determine their spec by specific talents instead.

I like the idea behind their monk class, and I think Pandarens are cool, but I can't forgive Blizz for killing my favorite char - Arthas/LK [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[joppykid]

Originally Posted by fischsemmel [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I hate people who bitch about WoW being easy as if 1) the entire game is easy and 2) any other MMO is any harder and 3) they could faceroll WoW heroics or HMs without overgearing and knowing the fights ahead of time and being in vent with a handful of RL friends.

It is easy, I have quit two times during cata with BiS gear and sharded it so I wouldn't come back and within a week both times I have gotten better gear. Sure some of the fights require some people paying attention which sadly a lot of people that populate that game cannot do. I only raid in WoW again to play with my friends. When I am not raiding on there I play EQ.

[Dullah]

Originally Posted by Grozmok [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I will bet you 50k pp on blue that it will be an overwhelming success.

We're talking about Blizzard, a company that has cancelled multiple titles (Starcraft: Ghost for the naysayers) in the past because it wasn't up to their standards. Hundreds of thousands of dollars spent on development only to be completely scrapped. A company that clears $1b annually, easy. They've got cash to burn and have no reason to release a shitty product.

I'll take that bet.

You're also talking about the same company that took WoW from its amazing classic and burning crusade era to the mess that it is today.

Blizzard is dumbing down video games to be playable by infants. Its already confirmed pvp wont be in to start, and frankly from everything I've seen, the game is a last ditch effort to cut their losses.

[Grozmok]

Originally Posted by Slave [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So according to you, World of Warcraft is a wonderful game? I think we have completely different standards for excellence.

No.

This post made me lol.

Success has absolutely nothing to do with a game being wonderful, as that's subjective.

Bottom line and revenue being generated is concrete, subjectivity and opinion is not. I think WoW launched as a decent, highly polished MMO. Since then, it's catered to lazy players with low IQs (the latter being my opinion) and lowered the bar for humor to clear cut pop-culture references, fart jokes and poop quests.

Fantasy MMO is srs bsns.

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Originally Posted by Lorraine [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

He said 'successful' , not 'wonderful'...

While the second is subject to personal opinions, the first is not. Numbers don't lie.

This.

Originally Posted by fischsemmel [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I hate people who bitch about WoW being easy as if 1) the entire game is easy and 2) any other MMO is any harder and 3) they could faceroll WoW heroics or HMs without overgearing and knowing the fights ahead of time and being in vent with a handful of RL friends.

In WoW's defense, I will state (with my fairly limited knowledge of the game post Burning Crusade) that the early raids were a challenge and required some thought/teamwork to complete. You can't look at the game now and tell me that the current WoW development team (both expansion and live teams) haven't trivialized pretty much everything within the game that makes an online/persistent world challenging/compelling/engaging/feel large.

Things like travel time, reliance on other players, attachment to the outcome (think death penalty) and so on have all been watered down or removed altogether because the lazy majority have cried it out of existence.

There's a reason I'm here on an emulator server playing a game that is over thirteen years old.

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[Lorraine]

Originally Posted by Dullah [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You're also talking about the same company that took WoW from its amazing classic and burning crusade era to the mess that it is today.

Blizzard is dumbing down video games to be playable by infants. Its already confirmed pvp wont be in to start, and frankly from everything I've seen, the game is a last ditch effort to cut their losses.

It's called 'Gaming Evolution' or 'Evolving' or 'Progressing' or which ever fancy word you want to attach to it. And it also has a lot to do with marketing a product. Blizzard is a huge company, and as a company, first and foremost goal is to make profits.

It's a different generation. When Everquest came out in the late 90's how many people had access to the Internet? How many people had access to credit cards to begin with? And were able to play such a game?

As the years went by, PC games lost a massive amount of supporters. Entire genders of games practicaly disappeared. Platform games for PC? Why the hell would anyone develop that when you had consoles to compete with. The only games that were able to survive (due to cult fanbase) were adventure / RPG games.

TSR being absorbed by Wizards of the Coast, which in return was absorbed by Hasbro (huge move into the RPG scene, since a lot of copyrighted material belong to these companies). Tradeable card games to cater to lower age consumers. Look at how much time even middle school students spend on the internet now. Each household has multiple computers and fast Internet access now is so easy to get (cables). Games are following this trend and are/will be marketed to attrack the younger audience.

tl ; dr ? Three words.

'Follow the money'.

[maahes]

Originally Posted by Grozmok [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I will bet you 50k pp on blue that it will be an overwhelming success.

We're talking about Blizzard, a company that has cancelled multiple titles (Starcraft: Ghost for the naysayers) in the past because it wasn't up to their standards. Hundreds of thousands of dollars spent on development only to be completely scrapped. A company that clears $1b annually, easy. They've got cash to burn and have no reason to release a shitty product.

I'll take that bet.

Just thought you would like to know. Blizzards is now Activision-Blizzard. So your opinion and the past presidents that Blizzard demonstrated are no longer valid in anyway. Activision is the boss now.

[Haul]

Originally Posted by Doors [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I've seen the end game on this server. To be honest putting my dick into a meat grinder is more fun than competing for raid targets here.

This. Also most of the people posting here negatively about Diablo 3 either havn't done their fair share of research, or didn't play Diablo or Diablo 2 to truely appreciate the series. Diablo 3 is gonna be freakin amazing and those who say otherwise are narrow minded. Real talk.

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