Best of the Best - Early favourites?

[Ele]

Lady Madera's post (5/15/2001) on the banning of regeneration items from BotBs.

http://web.archive.org/web/200106281...ML/000534.html

Dear Gladiators,
I think we may have not given you a complete enough explanation for removing the regeneration items from the Best of the Best. In order to be fair to everyone in all of the Best of the Best we, on the Events Team, thought we would relate to you why we did this.

One of the reasons is sheer time. Many of the matches can last up to one hour. Does anyone remember the Paladins Best of the Best? It is virtually impossible to have the Events Team, server GM and Guide staff to support such lengthy matches on 40 servers. Would we like too? Absolutely!! But if we did that there would be one Best of the Best class Tournament once every several months. According to my math it would take us over 2 years to run one sweep of every class for the Best of the Best.

The second reason is that this competition is to determine the “best of the best” for each class. The player who has the best strategy, the best tactics. Yes armor plays a factor, however skill is paramount. More than once I have seen a 56 level player wipe the ground with a 60 level player. In both cases the 56th level did not have armor as good as the 60th, but out classed them in skill. For this reason armor, weapons etc are not as important as the players ability to use whatever he/she has at their disposal.

On the flip side had we not made some changes we would have had to 1) set a higher level cap for competitors 2) capped the # of players who could compete or 3) had a single server competition span over two nights to allow all competitors to have their turn. All three of these things would have been extremely unfair and inconvenient to the players. Many many players take time off from work and or stay up late (some past 4am their time) in order to participate in their servers Best of the Best. In fairness to all players who wish to compete we need to keep the matches capable to be run in one night, in the shortest possible time. Most tournaments currently take anywhere from 6-12 hours. (anyone remember the Paladins?) With our growing high level population we want as many as possible to compete, in order to do this we decided to remove one thing that would shorten the matches and make the Gladiator rely on his/her skill over an item. Did we want to do this? No of course not. We would rather let you use what ever item you wish too, we know how much hard work goes into obtaining these items. We are working on future events where you can use all your items unfortunately that isn’t the case for the Best of the Best.

I hope this clears up the reasons for this decision. If you have any further questions on this matter please write to us at eventmaster@station.sony.com


Sincerely
Lady Madera the Chosen
Namdarie the Steadfast
Dartok Gnomemuncher
Ozzmar the Calm

[Ambrotos]

Just trying to follow the original rule set as much as I can. It's not like I'm picking or choosing what I want. If anything I would just disallow T-staff/ TonPo and let any other weapon allowed. Like I said, I'm waiting for staff input from it. So it could change.

[JenJen]

The second reason is that this competition is to determine the “best of the best” for each class. The player who has the best strategy, the best tactics. Yes armor plays a factor, however skill is paramount. More than once I have seen a 56 level player wipe the ground with a 60 level player. In both cases the 56th level did not have armor as good as the 60th, but out classed them in skill. For this reason armor, weapons etc are not as important as the players ability to use whatever he/she has at their disposal.

game on!

[lilyanna]

Yep I have to agree, gear isn't everything. Level obviously is but knowing how to play your class is paramount.

[Ele]

Originally Posted by Silentone [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I duno, just seems like its going from "best of the best" to "best of the average"

Do some research and find the official rule set to show they weren't banned.

All the evidence I've been able to find so far indicates that it was fists only (no weapons), but at the time of the warrior, rogue, monk BotBs Fungi/regen items had not been banned.

http://www.fohguild.org/forums/mmorp...5348-botb.html

I remember for sure that the monk BotB was fists only and that epic was the only item that could be clicked. It created an uproar, because the Epic quest was kinda new (or at least not that many monks were epic'ed) and the epic fist + the epic haste would not leave a chance to the non-epic monks.

There was a similar issue with the Magician BotB I think due to the vaste superiority of the epic pet.

Another post in the same thread:

I think weapons were allowed but not fungi tunics, at least thats how I remember them doing it, but its been a while.....

Immediately followed by:

no weapons allowed at monk botb

[Tiggles]

Originally Posted by Ele [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Do some research and find the official rule set to show they weren't banned.

All the evidence I've been able to find so far indicates that it was fists only (no weapons), but at the time of the warrior, rogue, monk BotBs Fungi/regen items had not been banned.

http://www.fohguild.org/forums/mmorp...5348-botb.html



Another post in the same thread:

Immediately followed by:

This guy knows his stuff.

[Ambrotos]

Originally Posted by Tiggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This guy knows his stuff.

I agree. He/She have helped me with a lot of information to get the guidelines set up.

[Silentone]

On the flip side had we not made some changes we would have had to 1) set a higher level cap for competitors 2) capped the # of players who could compete or 3) had a single server competition span over two nights to allow all competitors to have their turn. All three of these things would have been extremely unfair and inconvenient to the players. Many many players take time off from work and or stay up late (some past 4am their time) in order to participate in their servers Best of the Best. In fairness to all players who wish to compete we need to keep the matches capable to be run in one night, in the shortest possible time. Most tournaments currently take anywhere from 6-12 hours. (anyone remember the Paladins?) With our growing high level population we want as many as possible to compete, in order to do this we decided to remove one thing that would shorten the matches and make the Gladiator rely on his/her skill over an item. Did we want to do this? No of course not. We would rather let you use what ever item you wish too, we know how much hard work goes into obtaining these items. We are working on future events where you can use all your items unfortunately that isn’t the case for the Best of the Best.

this text seems to indicate the reason for not allowing regen items was to save time. I do not think we have the same issue because we do not have the same volume of players, any thoughts on this Ambrotos?

And again thakn you for your time.

[lilyanna]

Theres just so much to read through here.. when its going on will you do a post somehow in game for each class so they know what they can or cant do or will you refer them to the forum.. btw ambrotos can I be a unicorn pleaseeeeeee <3

[Ambrotos]

As thoughts come in about the use of the fungi and a good number base to go off of for each class, then we can make a decision. So far it's just been me setting this up. I'm sure Amelinda would be happy to help on those days, and I hope other guides would show up to help judge.

So in essence it is based on time. I may appoint other people to be judges also. I'm always open for debate on what can or shouldn't be allowed.

Most of the stuff is posted in the guide lines on what is or isn't allowed. The classes that are questionable on what was or wasn't allowed were pushed back towards the end, so I could gather more information and form a rule set.