Staff - Players - TMO, a Treatise on the Future of the Server

[touchtonedialing]

Originally Posted by Tasslehofp99 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

heh, there are atleast 2-3 other guilds that aren't TMO/BDA that want to raid but aren't willing to poopsock/give up their RL jobs to get pixels.

The other guilds had the perfect opportunity over the past two weeks to show that they could and Divinity was the only other guild that even attempted anything. Open raid targets popping in prime time is about as non poopsock/giving up RL jobs as you can get.

Eventually these other guilds need to take a bit of initiative and work if they want raid targets.

They had the perfect opportunity and all they did was show up to open raids, take up space then roll on items they really had no part in getting.

[Autotune]

Originally Posted by touchtonedialing [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The other guilds had the perfect opportunity over the past two weeks to show that they could and Divinity was the only other guild that even attempted anything. Open raid targets popping in prime time is about as non poopsock/giving up RL jobs as you can get.

Eventually these other guilds need to take a bit of initiative and work if they want raid targets.

They had the perfect opportunity and all they did was show up to open raids, take up space then roll on items they really had no part in getting.

sounds about right.

[Splorf22]

Originally Posted by Lagaidh [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I've been out in the real world doing things for the past couple of weeks. Bored at work on a Monday during lunch so I pop over to p99.

Finally get the skinny on the raid bans I'd heard about...

I see the new GM rule about training and agro...

I see players posting.

There are some serious adult brats on this server. That's all there is to it. Either side can argue their points until blue in the face and all I keep thinking is: geez... what a brat.

/shrug

I'll bet for a commoner like me, it's still great to just log in and goof off =) I'd hoped to raid on this server, but if I take what I read at face value, it just doesn't look like it's going to be worth the time. As an old electrician told me one summer: you'd get more out of poundin' yer pud.

Am I way off base on this? Seems like the raiding scene drama's been nearly non-stop for two years here. Shame really- it's such a small community to begin with. There's literally a population low enough that everybody on this server could get to enjoy all of the content in an orderly fashion, but for some reason, conflict is created...

Meh. Bored work musings.

Personally I agree with this. However, you have to understand that we have two types of people on this server: the 90% which want to experience the stuff they never got to do on Live for whatever reason, and the 10% who want to be the best by stepping on the 90% as much as possible. The vast majority of what goes on in these threads are people from each side just not understanding the perspective of the others.

Which is why we need raid rules that allow both sides to get their fix, i.e. competition but limited in some ways. Variance turns out to only amp up the competition, hence the desire for simultaneous repops. We can only hope that this is Nilbog's proposal.

[touchtonedialing]

Originally Posted by Autotune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

sounds about right.

You need to realize that you have to give them the opportunity though. People got to see encounters that they never would have if TMO had not got banned.

It was healthy for the server and let people get a taste of these encounters. The server is bleeding people and things need to be done to save it.

People may not have formed over the past two weeks but with a rotation, every 3-4 of all raid mobs would be open and it would be the light at the end of the tunnel they would need to get people motivated to put in the work.

You cant just kill everything within minutes of it spawning then complain that people dont want to "put in the work" by losing over and over for months. Killing dragons is easy, training other guilds and poop socking is the work people dont want to put in.

[Nirgon]

How many/which targets went unslain during this time.

[touchtonedialing]

Originally Posted by Nirgon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How many/which targets went unslain during this time.

Everything died with the exception of a few VP dragons. Im sure if BDA had more keys they would have died as well.

[Greeedy]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

gonna do what tmo always does. win

By 'always' you mean for approx. 5 months? Check the server lifetime much?

Why is this guy such a tool?????

[Nirgon]

Originally Posted by touchtonedialing [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Everything died with the exception of a few VP dragons. Im sure if BDA had more keys they would have died as well.

Intredasting

[Versus]

Originally Posted by Slave [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

/who "the mystical order" all
There are 12 players in EverQuest

/who all count
There are 236 players in EverQuest

Unless there are a LOT of ashamed TMO out there /anon, which is a decent possibility considering your recent fall(s) from grace, we are wondering where YOU come up with these numbers.

I can't fucking wait for next month when we're back to being called a zerg guild. You guys are perpetually mad at something. You claim we're all jobless basement dwellers because we have a different playstyle. People work shift work, have days off mid-week, and live in different countries. Before the suspension, we were only fielding 20-35 on average for targets.

Like someone said earlier, Trak/VS/VP were always locked down by the top dog. As far as killing the other shit "just to cockblock," someone will always need a Tobrin's off Vox/Talendor, WR bags, CoF, BCG, AoN, Shield of Rainbow Hues, etc.

I'd be just as happy to respond to batphones and kill shit and give the other guilds the loot we don't need, but something tells me ya'll wouldn't be cool with that either.

Rotations just aren't fun, IMO. Periodic respawns and the release of Velious will cure this server. Every single outdoor Kunark dragon will be infinitely easier to obtain as well as Trak/VP. Velious will occupy TMO/BDA and all the high end Velious gear will make VP shit obsolete, minus Phara Dar and a few select pieces from the other dopes in there.

[YendorLootmonkey]

Ask the other guilds, and ask the GMs who have had to deal with zero raid drama... the TMO raid suspension was a glimpse of how the raiding scene on this server *could* be. Every other guild is willing to share and work together and rotate even high priority targets like Trak and VS. We're /randoming on stuff in VP between three different guilds, for crying out loud. Could that even happen if TMO were not suspended? No. Because they have deemed the rest of us have not "earned" those pixels or the right to those encounters. Somewhere along the way, they crowned themselves gatekeepers of all the loot and have taken it upon themselves to decide who is worthy and who is just "getting handouts."

The ONLY guild on the server who thinks "competition" at the level they pursue it is "fun" is TMO. The rest of us don't find that fun at all. Yet, because one guild isn't willing to work out a rotation, they inflict their will against all other guilds. What gives them that right? Because they have the most players willing to "do what it takes" and risk getting raid banned time and time again in order to get pixels?

Again, nilbog is right... we all have the power to change it. If TMO wants to treat the rest of us this way, then boycott them. Guildleaders... mandate from your guilds a strict refusal to group with them, and their alts, and all the people they have tucked away in Enraptured all sneaky-like. Stop talking to them. Stop buffing them. Stop buying and selling from/to them. Just stop interacting with them all together. When their membership no longer finds it fun to log in for their trinkets and then log out because no one else on the server wants to have anything to do with them, maybe they'll put the appropriate pressure on their leadership, if they're not already doing so in response to the poor-decision making that led to their two week raid-suspension to begin with.

Oh, and if you do the FTE shout thing, re-define FTE as "the first guild to do X amount of damage to the mob" and check for that. That'll make kiting mobs a thing of the past as well as GM intervention after the fact to determine who had FTE and potentially having to re-distribute loot. Then you can't just put AFK people there to get on the hate list first... you actually have to engage the mob with a KS group and with enough of a raid force where you plan to win. The FTE shout will let the opposing guild know they can pull their forces out and let the FTE guild try their luck with whatever they engaged with.