Game Mechanics: Undead do not train

[Slave]

All mobs should recheck proximity aggro at LEAST every tick. This is all true.

[Nirgon]

I know I've had guards trained on me before.

Oo.. there's a post in the official rules of "training guards on someone in defense of your home town is not considered role playing and will be punished" -- I'll edit this post and add that when I can find it.

Undead didn't care if you damaged them before or not, I believe other types of NPCs only trained if they had been body aggro'd.

I seem to remember a big train of dervs plowing over someone, most notably, the dervish thug aggroing and causing the rest to go whacko backstabo.

Giants definitely trained on people but only if damage hadn't been done to them. Further, they should have a larger aggro range and most should see invis but I think not all.

[Furniture]

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[Wolfgang]

Originally Posted by Slave [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

All mobs should recheck proximity aggro at LEAST every tick. This is all true.

for sure undead are broke here. cant get those suckers off group members no matter how far they get away.

[Kender]

Originally Posted by Nizzarr [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Thats not true, I believe any mobs would transfer aggro if you didnt do anything to them.

Case in point: Fancy the bard.

You think he really zoned those giants to cause grief on sullon zek? no he just proxy aggro'ed them and ran over people to get them killed.

I'm also a firm believer that if you ran stuff over a group, even if they didnt engage anything, mob would add them to their proximity aggro list and come back for them if the guy with more than 1 hate would zone.

the difference being undead wouldn't wait to change targets when the original proximity agroer zoned. they'd attack new targets as soon as they were closer.

A guild friend used to power level this way in CoM. he'd run around on his druid and round up all the undead, then run them to zone zone line where the PL target was waiting and stand behind them. the undead would all then attack the PL target when they got close (he had a ds on). he'd then DS himself while the PL target tried to tap each mob (or ae if capable of doing that). when he healed the PL target they'd jump on him and he'd finish them off with DS

[Kender]

p.s. i think the prox agro transference on non undead worked differently... agro was only transferred from the train if you were in combat with a social mob to the train. then as the trainer zoned or died, the train with beeline back because they had you added to their hate list from social agro

[Furniture]

im not 100% on this since its been so long, but as nizzar stated i do believe that non-undead mobs should add any pc to its hatelist from proximity aggro alone, i recall anytime anyone with a mob ran through a group and zoned, that mob would come back to anyone who got on the hatelist from proximity aggro

in the case of fansy, like nizzar stated, if a pc had proximity aggro only on an npc and ran it through another pc, the new proximity aggro would take precedence over the old proximity aggro and the mob would change targets

had fansy done damage at all to the mob, the mob would have chased him til he zoned, then went after the pc's fansy gave proximity aggro to

[Furniture]

also based on some stuff i read from a thread about undead aggro in the eqclassic forum, it looks like undead mobs had their own aggro rules in outdoor zones only and not indoor zones (dont know how reliable that is but it sounds right)

[Nirgon]

Most undead would train no matter what, some things would only train if you hadnt done any damage to them or only body aggrod them.

IIRC having low hp when something was pulled past you could also have an effect.

Not sure if low hp aggro works here either?

[Wolfgang]

Originally Posted by Nirgon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Most undead would train no matter what, some things would only train if you hadnt done any damage to them or only body aggrod them.

IIRC having low hp when something was pulled past you could also have an effect.

Not sure if low hp aggro works here either?

confirmed specs and sandgiants would agro everyone as you trained them along. not sure if i pulled them with spell or proximity agroed but i never had a problem getting them to kill everyone in my path. somethin aint right here