Half of FE's monks are suspended, Loses Trak when they have to compete

[Ele]

Originally Posted by Tiggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Hey guys I'm back from dinner.

Whats happening?

People hating on my fraps, but I'll get over it. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[AenarieFenninRo]

Originally Posted by Tanthallas [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jwq5Sr9X8c
This is what FE logged into.
TMO pulls Trak out.
TMO running from lair (robe of azure sky dude and gnome; unless it was sanluen or adrianna or swarws, wonder who has those robes).
Two groups of TMO proceed to kill Prot while Trak is on FE at ledge.
New Trak strat when low on numbers: Pull Trak onto ledge, lock down other raid force, clear Prot while raidforce sets up away from ledge to CotH and res.
Is this VP?

That is not anything how I see that video...

1) your video doesnt show anyone training, it shows trak already being below ledge, but lets put that aside for a second

TMO engaged trak, he pops out of lair following someone, again we dont know who because your video doesn't start early enough,
TMO TAKES IT BACK INTO LAIR,
FE comes down off ledge, and engages an already engaged mob at top of ramp,
When numbers start going down, everyone makes a run for it
you get summoned by Protector. /video end

>>> Trak NEVER came up on the rock where you guys were camped, you all came down instead. <<<

Why did you come down? Well, if you were getting hit by AE's already, then why not make a go of it, this seems like a logical idea

If you got hit with AEs while TMO was trying to take him back into lair, thats a side issue, but TMO DID take it back into the lair, your own video is proof of that!


Now back to #1
There is a possibility in any raid situation, regardless of who is fighting what that someone is going to botch something. If you log out within a reasonable range of where this botch happens, you're likely to get caught up in it, this is EXACTLY what happened here, you got caught up in it because you camped within agro range of trak poking his head out of lair.

The upside of camping on top of the mountain like you did, is you can probably engage a little faster (less distance to cover), the downside is that if anything goes wrong, you're in range and going to get hit, which in this instance happened.

If you're going to make claims about someone training you and then post a fraps of the mob not being trained by being below you already, then its just bad luck you logged in when you did.

[maverixdamighty]

Originally Posted by AenarieFenninRo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That is not anything how I see that video...

1) your video doesnt show anyone training, it shows trak already being below ledge, but lets put that aside for a second

TMO engaged trak, he pops out of lair following someone, again we dont know who because your video doesn't start early enough,
TMO TAKES IT BACK INTO LAIR,
FE comes down off ledge, and engages an already engaged mob at top of ramp,
When numbers start going down, everyone makes a run for it
you get summoned by Protector. /video end

>>> Trak NEVER came up on the rock where you guys were camped, you all came down instead. <<<

Why did you come down? Well, if you were getting hit by AE's already, then why not make a go of it, this seems like a logical idea

If you got hit with AEs while TMO was trying to take him back into lair, thats a side issue, but TMO DID take it back into the lair, your own video is proof of that!


Now back to #1
There is a possibility in any raid situation, regardless of who is fighting what that someone is going to botch something. If you log out within a reasonable range of where this botch happens, you're likely to get caught up in it, this is EXACTLY what happened here, you got caught up in it because you camped within agro range of trak poking his head out of lair.

The upside of camping on top of the mountain like you did, is you can probably engage a little faster (less distance to cover), the downside is that if anything goes wrong, you're in range and going to get hit, which in this instance happened.

If you're going to make claims about someone training you and then post a fraps of the mob not being trained by being below you already, then its just bad luck you logged in when you did.

trak was agro from your fail attepmt. no other way to spin it once he passes that corner he is agro at poop hill.

[AenarieFenninRo]

Originally Posted by maverixdamighty [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

trak was agro from your fail attepmt. no other way to spin it once he passes that corner he is agro at poop hill.

agro on poop hill does not constitute a train as is being said, it constitutes you being in a bad spot.

[maverixdamighty]

Originally Posted by AenarieFenninRo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

agro on poop hill does not constitute a train as is being said, it constitutes you being in a bad spot.

i never claimed otherwise. you guys were morons to engage with 12 or whatever you had though obviously was an attempt to do just what happened.

[AenarieFenninRo]

and considering after it had been taken into the lair THAT is when you engaged, you had PLENTY of time to have camped out instead to drop your own agro.

Simply put, you look foolish for running down there to engage on an already engaged mob rather than camping for safety

[maverixdamighty]

Originally Posted by AenarieFenninRo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

and considering after it had been taken into the lair THAT is when you engaged, you had PLENTY of time to have camped out instead to drop your own agro.

Simply put, you look foolish for running down there to engage on an already engaged mob rather than camping for safety

wouldn't have looked foolish if he died which he should have. i doubt we would have gotten many people camped out and as we were already raid buffed it was worth the shot to just kill him after your fail. we lost the gamble this time.

p.s. nice agro swipe at sev. how'd that work out for you tools?

[AenarieFenninRo]

Originally Posted by maverixdamighty [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

i never claimed otherwise. you guys were morons to engage with 12 or whatever you had.

I'll use your own words here:

Originally Posted by maverixdamighty [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

wouldn't have looked foolish if he died which he should have.

Maverix, you may not have said we trained in your postings, and I never said you did, my statement was that it has been said, by the same person who posted the link... for proof here's Tanthallas comment, highlighted for reference:

Originally Posted by Tanthallas [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So, if everyone wants to know anything about training Trak it appears the proper method is to send a player with DA to pull Trak on the ledge where 40 FE are logging in and forming groups.

I restate my earlier for clarification's sake:

Originally Posted by AenarieFenninRo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There is a possibility in any raid situation, regardless of who is fighting what that someone is going to botch something. If you log out within a reasonable range of where this botch happens, you're likely to get caught up in it, this is EXACTLY what happened here, you got caught up in it because you camped within agro range of trak poking his head out of lair.

The upside of camping on top of the mountain like you did, is you can probably engage a little faster (less distance to cover), the downside is that if anything goes wrong, you're in range and going to get hit, which in this instance happened.

If you're going to make claims about someone training you and then post a fraps of the mob not being trained by being below you already, then its just bad luck you logged in when you did.

[Tanthallas]

Originally Posted by maverixdamighty [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

wouldn't have looked foolish if he died which he should have. i doubt we would have gotten many people camped out and as we were already raid buffed it was worth the shot to just kill him after your fail. we lost the gamble this time.

p.s. nice agro swipe at sev. how'd that work out for you tools?

It wasnt about a gamble. We ALL got hit by the AE, and agro of Trak was dropped on us. Attempting to log off amidst Traks AE is suicide.

[Tanthallas]

[QUOTE=AenarieFenninRo;871141]There is a possibility in any raid situation, regardless of who is fighting what that someone is going to botch something. If you log out within a reasonable range of where this botch happens, you're likely to get caught up in it, this is EXACTLY what happened here, you got caught up in it because you camped within agro range of trak poking his head out of lair.

The upside of camping on top of the mountain like you did, is you can probably engage a little faster (less distance to cover), the downside is that if anything goes wrong, you're in range and going to get hit, which in this instance happened.

If you're going to make claims about someone training you and then post a fraps of the mob not being trained by being below you already, then its just bad luck you logged in when you did.[QUOTE]

No.

The reason why Trak came out of his lair and AE'd us is crucial. That is: was it because of a failed engage or a train?

TMO has to claim they planned to kill Trak with the numbers they engaged with or claim they were stalling for more to get on if they are claiming it was not an intentional train. As the first one is out, I would think they were trying to stall.

My question is...if a stall turns into a train of the sort that happened, and if a GM is present as Alovia said she was, why is it that no action was taken?