ASOIAF / Game of Thrones (SPOILERS INSIDE)

[ardikus]

I think that Jon could very likely be Azor Ahai if a few of these assumptions are true -

1. Azor Ahai is the same thing as the "Prince that was Promised"

2. Jon is the legitimate son of Rhaegar and Lyanna, meaning they were wed and had Jon, making him a Targaryen prince.

If Jon is a Targaryen prince, then it's not a huge leap to make him the "Prince that was Promised" because of the repeated phrase "Promise me, Ned" from Lyanna.

So if R+L=J, and PtwP = AA, then Jon = AA.

[Sirken]

Originally Posted by ardikus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think that Jon could very likely be Azor Ahai if a few of these assumptions are true -

1. Azor Ahai is the same thing as the "Prince that was Promised"

2. Jon is the legitimate son of Rhaegar and Lyanna, meaning they were wed and had Jon, making him a Targaryen prince.

If Jon is a Targaryen prince, then it's not a huge leap to make him the "Prince that was Promised" because of the repeated phrase "Promise me, Ned" from Lyanna.

So if R+L=J, and PtwP = AA, then Jon = AA.

i like where your head is at.
however, i feel the "promise me ned" is in reference to her saying "promise me you'll take care of my son, ned"

Jon could very very easily be the prince that was promised, as well as one of Dany's dragon riders. but it would also give Jon a better claim to the throne than Dany.

that said, remember the story of Azor Azai -

Darkness lay over the world and a hero, Azor Ahai, was chosen to fight against it. To fight the darkness, Azor Ahai needed to forge a hero's sword. He labored for thirty days and thirty nights until it was done. However, when he went to temper it in water, the sword broke. He was not one to give up easily, so he started over. The second time he took fifty days and fifty nights to make the sword, even better than the first. To temper it this time, he captured a lion and drove the sword into its heart, but once more the steel shattered. The third time, with a heavy heart, for he knew before hand what he must do to finish the blade, he worked for a hundred days and nights until it was finished. This time, he called for his wife, Nissa Nissa, and asked her to bare her breast. He drove his sword into her breast, her soul combining with the steel of the sword, creating Lightbringer

who would be jon's Nissa Nissa, if jon was indeed AA? im starting to have a feeling that Stannis is AA, Jon is PtwP, and the 3 dragon riders will be Dany, Jon, Aegon.

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[Sirken]

Originally Posted by Enslaved [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The Dragon always has three heads.

I give you your Targaryens: Daenerys, Tyrion, and Jon.

i use to think that exact same thing buddy, and if Aegon dies, my thinking will revert to it.

but let me ask you, when u give those 3 names, is it because u think Aegon will die? or because you do not think Aegon is good enough to dragon ride?

and do u subscribe to the theory that Tyrion is the son of Joanna Lannister and the Mad King Aerys?

[ardikus]

Originally Posted by Sirken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

who would be jon's Nissa Nissa, if jon was indeed AA? im starting to have a feeling that Stannis is AA, Jon is PtwP, and the 3 dragon riders will be Dany, Jon, Aegon.

Some think that the Night's Watch is Lightbringer in a metaphorical sense - I am the sword in the darkness - and this being the case, Ygritte is Jon's Nissa Nissa because her death played a vital role in returning Jon to the Night's Watch, and Jon becoming its Lord Commander.

[Sirken]

Originally Posted by ardikus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Some think that the Night's Watch is Lightbringer in a metaphorical sense - I am the sword in the darkness - and this being the case, Ygritte is Jon's Nissa Nissa because her death played a vital role in returning Jon to the Night's Watch, and Jon becoming its Lord Commander.

i am in fact one of those people [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

but we know Jon's arrow didnt kill ygritte, so technically, he did not sacrifice her. also she was not the thing he loved the most. if anything, i think Arya would serve as a better nissa nissa to Jon.



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[Sirken]

Originally Posted by Enslaved [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yes, we've been over this. Aegon is the false Targaryen, Mummer's Dragon. And there are multiple lines of evidence that support Tyrion as Joanna+Aerys.

thats fine and i remember,

but that doesnt meant that i personally am convinced on either of those theories yet, i simply admit that if you take a few liberties, it is possible [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Dalven]

So some stuff I don't think we've discussed yet that I find interesting...

What's Marwyn's (sp?) stake in this? What do Marwyn/the maesters know about the fall and rise of dragons and its effect on magic?

What about the Faceless Men's agenda? Jaqen isn't taking on faces at the citadel for nothing.

How is Meereen going to play out?

Has anyone read the sample chapters that have been released?

[Sirken]

Originally Posted by Dalven [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So some stuff I don't think we've discussed yet that I find interesting...

What's Marwyn's (sp?) stake in this? What do Marwyn/the maesters know about the fall and rise of dragons and its effect on magic?

What about the Faceless Men's agenda? Jaqen isn't taking on faces at the citadel for nothing.

How is Meereen going to play out?

Has anyone read the sample chapters that have been released?

you gotta go back to the first couple pages to get these topics [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]
as far as Marwyn, i believe he will play a role in repairing the Horn of Ice (the horn sam has). what the role will be, im not 100% sure. but Maester Marwyn knows alot about dragons and magic. Marwyn is the one that taught Mirri Maz Durr, and after talking with Sam, Marwyn decides he must go find Dany. i believe the Sams horn, and Dany's horn are the Horn of Ice and the Horn of Fire, and together, they will play the song of ice and fire.

jaqan, i mean the alchemist, i mean new pate, is following someone, or something. i believe he's after the Horn of Ice, or the obsidian candle, or a book. but Horn of Ice, Final Answer.

Mereen.. geez. im hoping to see Dany show up with her newly acquired Khalasar (because u know shes killing that khal, and u know his people will follow her now that her dragons are bigger) and then what do you have? you have Dany with 3 dragons, 8000 unsullied, and who knows how many dothraki. GG

i have read the chapters, theres no super spoiler info other that confirming most peoples beliefs that Ramsey's letter to the wall was mostly BS, stannis isnt dead, Asha doesnt recognize theon, and i believe Theon had Jeyne (fake arya) with him. cant remember if she was in stannis' camp as well.

[Dalven]

Now that you mention it I do remember the discussion on the horns. If I'm not mistaken Marwyn is seen as a black sheep amongst the Maesters, presumably for his study in magic (or his success with it). Good shout on Marwyn and Mirri Maz Duur - I had forgotten that detail. The link between dragons and magic returning seems to be becoming more important - did the Citadel potentially have a role to play in the death of the dragons? I'm sure I read this somewhere although whether if it was on a forum or in books I have no idea.

Jaqen and the Faceless Men's interest is, well... interesting. Particularly if you take into account Braavos is a city founded by escaped Valyrian slaves and the order founded upon that. How do they feel about Dany and the dragons I wonder? Can't be happy.

I agree Dany is going to come back with the Dothraki, I wonder if/when the vision of all the crones in the Dosh Khaleen kneeling will come into play, and how long it will take her to get back to Meereen. The forthcoming battle there is something I'm particularly looking forward to and was disappointed didn't climax in ADWD - there was a huge amount of build up and coming together of characters just for the pay off to come in the next book.

There is also an Arriane chapter floating about now where they seem to be journeying to Aegon and looking for that mysterious Darkstar character.

[Sirken]

Originally Posted by Dalven [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The link between dragons and magic returning seems to be becoming more important - did the Citadel potentially have a role to play in the death of the dragons? I'm sure I read this somewhere although whether if it was on a forum or in books I have no idea.

i dont think the citadel would have killed or helped kill the dragons. the dragons were the truest source of magic in the known world. to help destroy them, the citadel would be destroying the source of their own power. the dragons were killed because as they were kept in captivity each generation was a little bit smaller until they were easier to kill, and then "brave men killed all the dragons". as evidenced by the sizes of the dragon skulls in kings landing.

Originally Posted by Dalven [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Jaqen and the Faceless Men's interest is, well... interesting. Particularly if you take into account Braavos is a city founded by escaped Valyrian slaves and the order founded upon that. How do they feel about Dany and the dragons I wonder? Can't be happy.

there is a theory floating around that Euron Greyjoy came across a dragon egg on his travels and traded it to the faceless men. so it's possible that could explain how Balon mysteriously fell off a bridge to his death, and of course would give the faceless men a chance to own or re-sell a dragon.

Originally Posted by Dalven [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I agree Dany is going to come back with the Dothraki, I wonder if/when the vision of all the crones in the Dosh Khaleen kneeling will come into play, and how long it will take her to get back to Meereen. The forthcoming battle there is something I'm particularly looking forward to and was disappointed didn't climax in ADWD - there was a huge amount of build up and coming together of characters just for the pay off to come in the next book.

100% agree about the battle. luckily GRRM has confirmed that book 6 will start with the two big battles that book 5 was leading up to (ie: battle of Mereen / Slavers Bay, as well as the Stannis vs Bolton for Winterfell battle). I fully expect Dany and Victarion to strike a deal, as he has the one thing she has been looking for for about 5000 pages.... Ships!

Originally Posted by Dalven [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There is also an Arriane chapter floating about now where they seem to be journeying to Aegon and looking for that mysterious Darkstar character.

the Martells are the only family not conquered by Aegon the Conqueror. Prince Rhaegar was married to and had two children by Elia Martell. While i havent read that one, it would make sense for the Martells to test those waters. especially since Aegon would have a better claim to the throne than Dany would (ie, Rhaegars kid vs Rhaegars sister). unless Aegon does indeed turn out to be the mummers dragon, which would probably mean the perfumed seneschal = Varys

Quaithe proceeds to deliver another cryptic warning:
"The glass candles are burning. Soon comes the pale mare, and after her the others. Kraken and dark flame, lion and griffin, the sun's son and the mummer's dragon. Trust none of them. Remember the Undying. Beware the perfumed seneschal."

Pale Mare = the Bloody Flux
the "others" = White Walkers
Kraken = Victarion Greyjoy
Dark Flame = Moqorro
Lion = Tyrion Lannister
Griffin = Jon Connington
Sun's Son = Quentyn Martell
Mummers Dragon = Aegon Targaryen
Remember the Undying = the visions she saw, or, the way she was deceived/tricked
Perfumed Seneschal = Varys

Possible others for the perfumed seneschal =

• Reznak mo Reznak - due to his position in Daenerys Targaryen's court and his penchant for wearing lots of perfume.
• The Selaesori Qhoran (Fragrant Steward), a trading cog.
• Satin the steward to Jon Snow, who wears perfume.