A Word of Warning to the New (and Naive)

[Systolic]

Originally Posted by Wudan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Are you dumb or trolling? The point is you bought the account, which makes you a loser and part of the account trading problem this server has. Im glad you got banned, maybe some people will think twice before trading/buying accounts.

You all account buying idiots are jest feeding rmt operation. Its not the gear they are making most money on. It is PLing the crap out of new toons and selling them to lazy morons like yourself.

Your actions are detrimental to this server

I'm not lazy, I just have other things I would like to do than sit in 5 zones from 1-46 for 30+ hours each. And yeah there are other places I could go to level but there are clearly faster places than others, and I'm not interested in the leveling process.

Ive experienced all of the content in this game before. I want to raid.

[Nune]

Originally Posted by Uggme [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You just confirmed that the buying and selling of accounts was not condoned nor allowed by Verant. thus, still showing that a rule-abiding player in 1999-2000 would never even consider it as a option.

The fact that you could ebay search accounts back in 1999 is actually pretty moot. It's prety common knowledge that nearly everything is for sale for the right price. That doesn't make it right to sell everything. You might actually recall that less than 200 years ago people were for sale here in the United States.

Seeing as this server seeks to recreate a classic experience, they should do eveything in thier power to stop it - which apparently isn't much atm. But at least there is some effort being put into it.

You're twisting you point from "it's classic" to ethics. I didn't make an ethical point. I said that there were hundreds of accounts to be bought for willing parties, and it occurred during this era in EQ Live

[Gadwen]

Originally Posted by Nune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Again, I find it laughable when people make this point.

In 1999/2000, if you went to Ebay and typed "Everquest accounts" it was bursting with accounts. SoE was super shy on the banhammer; its a different beast when you ban people that are paying you $15 a month. The only dif was the fact people didnt talk about account sales publicly, so to say account sales weren't classic is flat out wrong.

Everything that was against the rules happened on live. By that logic we could say that MQ is classic, training is classic, KSing is classic, RMTing is classic. It still doesn't validate these actions.

[Nune]

Originally Posted by Wudan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Are you dumb or trolling? The point is you bought the account, which makes you a loser and part of the account trading problem this server has. Im glad you got banned, maybe some people will think twice before trading/buying accounts.

You all account buying idiots are jest feeding rmt operation. Its not the gear they are making most money on. It is PLing the crap out of new toons and selling them to lazy morons like yourself.

Your actions are detrimental to this server

Starts post with are you dumb or trolling, then takes a dumb course to troll. Take your foil hat off bro, buying an account with plat feeds nothing RMT wise more so then selling a raid drop in EC. The only thing detrimental to the server is people like you, who are poster children for narcissism. Just because account selling is the #1 RMT source does not mean people who buy an account with legit plat have fed the operation. Somehow, you see an exchange of in game currency for in game pixels as a RMT exchange, which clearly shows you're fairly retarded.

[Ephi]

Originally Posted by Systolic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

My logic is that if they are trying to stop cheaters, and they have determined that SOMEONE is a cheater.. they banned one single account related to cheating and whoever of the people involved was cheating is still able to have access to the game... and I took the brunt of it despite the fact that I did nothing wrong within the game, despite whatever ambiguous rule is in place about enforcing the sale of accounts, and the person who committed the crime so to speak is still out in the wild.

What happened to me is the equivalent of being arrested for being on camera when someone else robbed a grocery store.

This is honestly a very good point and distinction worth bringing up. That said, the process to verify accounts traded hands is nearly impossible to be 100% sure of. Most "uniquely identifying" system information can be faked to make it look like an account did trade hands, which would give intelligent cheaters a free pass. IP bans are also not 100% effective overall, especially when dealing with someone knowledgeable in such matters, so there's no way to ban someone completely from the game. The best we can do is ban every account they have ever touched, which creates its own set of problems due to the rampant sharing of account credentials on this server.

I've made an effort to clarify our stance on account trades here. Sorry you got pinched, but you aren't the first, nor will you be the last.

Also, the accusation that because we're banning accounts means we're somehow involved in RMT is silly. I can create any character, item, or monetary value on the server I want with commands entrusted to me as a GM. I don't need your account and its crap. I can make my own. Now of course I don't, and there are auditing measures in place to ensure GMs aren't doing that (nilbog and Rogean both regularly check logs).

I hope you're willing to come back in the future and play again on your own account. If not, I certainly understand, and best of luck wherever you go next.

[August]

Originally Posted by Systolic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It all goes back to platinum (which is clearly directly linked to RMT)

sentimental value is less likely to exist for someone who purchased an account outright.
In-game value is directly correlated to platinum value
Platinum value speaks for itself
Prestige is linked to gear, which is linked to the platinum value of the account.

I'm sure that in WoW the original Leroyjenkins account could sell for $10,000 if someone wanted it to, but there no accounts with that kind of 'prestige' on this server.

Since platinum is the primary exchange option for real world cash, then everything you have mentioned (save sentimental value) can be traced back to platinu, which can be traced back to RMT.

Like I said, its only a theory, but its just extremely odd to me that the GMs take such a hard stance on something that may not be breaking any rules in any way. they frown upon account buying, that doesn't mean you get banned for it. If you're dubious to an NPC, they don't attack you. Furthermore, my friends' account isn't banned. My baby account isn't banned, and chtulu's other account isn't banned.

Something just doesn't add up.

By this self-serving logic:

I farm a JBB.
I can sell JBB for 50kpp - and do so, I now have 50kpp

Quote: "Since platinum is the primary exchange option for real world cash" ... then me farming the JBB can be linked to a desire for platinum, which is tracked back to RMT, which means I farmed JBB for RMT.

Idiot.

[Nune]

Originally Posted by Gadwen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Everything that was against the rules happened on live. By that logic we could say that MQ is classic, training is classic, KSing is classic, RMTing is classic. It still doesn't validate these actions.

I never stood to validate it with my post, again, you're drawing lines in the sand. MQ was classic, SEQ was classic, account sales were classic. Not legal, supported, or legit.. classic

All I'm saying is that it happened, even if it was illegal than, and roughly legal here now. I just don't see the point in recalling history through perception and not factually

[Nune]

Originally Posted by August [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

By this self-serving logic:

I farm a JBB.
I can sell JBB for 50kpp - and do so, I now have 50kpp

Quote: "Since platinum is the primary exchange option for real world cash" ... then me farming the JBB can be linked to a desire for platinum, which is tracked back to RMT, which means I farmed JBB for RMT.

Idiot.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ this
+1

[Systolic]

Originally Posted by August [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

By this self-serving logic:

I farm a JBB.
I can sell JBB for 50kpp - and do so, I now have 50kpp

Quote: "Since platinum is the primary exchange option for real world cash" ... then me farming the JBB can be linked to a desire for platinum, which is tracked back to RMT, which means I farmed JBB for RMT.

Idiot.

There is an assumed subset/philosophy/archetype of said player in my analogy.

If it went over your head, you don't have to attempt to insult me as a result.

[chtulu]

so I've been accused of rmting, MQing, or some variation of cheating, yet there is no proof and the op won't quote the gm who told him my account was exploiting some how. Look you guys, he is obviously a liar and him and his buddy who gave him items were shady before he even bought. My account. I have my accounts still too from 6 months ago, how come they weren't banned if they were traacking my shit and verified I was cheating?

The burden of proof is on the accuser, not the accused. The OP could just screen shot the gm response saying my account was shady, but he won't because he is lying and blaming me for his own cheating or friend who cheated and gave him items.