What is Anarchy?

[Hasbinbad]

I think that agreements about how people should govern themselves are important, and I also think it is important to reflect the will of the community vs the will of the individual in disputes.

[Arteker]

Originally Posted by Hasbinbad [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think that agreements about how people should govern themselves are important, and I also think it is important to reflect the will of the community vs the will of the individual in disputes.

you realy think most people is actualy capable of govern themselves hasbin?

[Nihilist_santa]

Originally Posted by dhoushi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

During my coursework I came across an explanation that I thought summed it up rather nicely. Anarchists consider the government nothing more then an illusion created by powerful people, and therefore illegitimate. Rights are not real, and can be taken away at any point by the government, and laws are only applicable to those who are unconnected to the powerful people. This implies anarchy is the real system in place, and Anarchists only which to lift the veil from those unaware of it.

This is pretty close to the mark however Chomsky fails to realize that systems and people gravitate towards centralization. These same people create hierarchies and false divisions out of some kind of necessity. Anarchist ideas only work on the small scale because they are modeled after tribal interactions but will totally fail in the grander scheme. The same pipe dream this guy has been pushing for years.

[Arteker]

Originally Posted by Nihilist_santa [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is pretty close to the mark however Chomsky fails to realize that systems and people gravitate towards centralization. These same people create hierarchies and false divisions out of some kind of necessity. Anarchist ideas only work on the small scale because they are modeled after tribal interactions but will totally fail in the grander scheme. The same pipe dream this guy has been pushing for years.

a excellent answer

[Razdeline]

Well after reading I am grateful that philosophy still has a place in the world.

[Hasbinbad]

Originally Posted by Arteker [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

you realy think most people is actualy capable of govern themselves hasbin?

I think that in a society where you're more directly responsible for your life, that it would be more possible to do with less governing bodies.. Probably approaching, but never actually reaching a state of no government.

[Hasbinbad]

And by life, I mainly mean the value of your labor.

[Nihilist_santa]

Originally Posted by Hasbinbad [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think that in a society where you're more directly responsible for your life, that it would be more possible to do with less governing bodies.. Probably approaching, but never actually reaching a state of no government.

You are directly responsible for your life now. When you work you enter into an agreement with an employer about how much your labor is worth. Dont like it? Quit. What happens in a system with little oversight when a group of people decide they want what you have? You have to manage a defense for your property( please lets not discuss abolishing personal property) and in doing so you are establishing a system like government. This is how society was started people went from hunter-gatherer to cultivation and when they managed to amass a surplus someone had to make sure that it was protected. This is where your government comes from.

Utopian ideas always seem to require the system being in place first which is why they wont work. You cant remove the old system in its entirety and people will have their own wills,desires, and beliefs which can compromise any system. You might as well say "if everyone got along the world would be a better place." Human nature is the problem and you are not going to change that nature by simply placing humans in a new environment.

Our own system has been turned from a constitutional democratic republic to this myth of a democracy which always precedes a tyranny according to Plato. The republic as envisioned is very decentralized and would be much closer to the type of anarchy Chompsky is advocating minus the socialist economic ideas.

[Hasbinbad]

You're pretending lobbyists don't exist.

Hello Kitty Island Adventure is this way: ->

[Nihilist_santa]

Nah I know they exist but the US government changed the way which we get the amount of representatives we have so that there are fewer reps which is good for the lobbyist because that's fewer people to buy off.

You are pretending that lobbying only exist because it is legal.