GM's.. Are you listening?

[Tradesonred]

Nothing short of a new server launched with Velious will jolt things back into shape

And then only if devs learn from mistakes made on red and set up some ruleset that actually encourages PVPing.

You need the excitement that was there at the nov 2011 launch coupled with a ruleset that works and a new expansion, + the word of mouth days before the server launches like i did here and on other forums for DAOC origins.

Devs are in denial about their mistake of letting xp loss in pvp on for so long and blame the playerbase for something that was their fault, and applied PnP to fortify the blinders against what theyre in denial about.

So considering this, and that GMs as of yesterday still think its no PnP that killed the pop, id get used to a ghost town server because even if they launch a new server, if they got what went wrong with red mixed up, then a new server is just going to end up in the same state that red is in.