This is not quake u nerds, its everquest. The goal is to kill dragons and kill other players (preferably both at the same time). We are all here because we enjoy pvp but that "blubie" shit is played out.. cause people like Salem still leveled two characters to level 60 with one being a hybrid and then completed his epic. Do you realize how much time he spent that was devoted to PvE? If you can't even contest the PvE content then your guild does not matter in this game.
Item loot would of course make my above statement null and void but that is not the reality of red.
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