Game Mechanics: Rogue hide

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Originally Posted by Nirgon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The funny thing is, when it was tested on eqmac or in untouched areas on Live... it is discovered I'm almost always right [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.].

You aren't going to get shroud of stealth level hide/sneak here, its not classic. Be behind the mob or be seen.

Honestly I did look high and low and on safehouse/wayback machine. Truthfully, I would want it to be implemented correctly, even if I was wrong about my assertion and I'd own up to being wrong.

But the truth is, there would be loads of information saying "just have a rogue sneak through to check if the mob is up as it cannot be tracked from the zone in" or "have a rogue pull everyone's corpses after a wipe"... but as it turns out... all the pulling of corpses is being done by monks (hi2u 0 cast time FD) or necro coffins in raid zones and all the checking for mobs being up is done by trackers. If rogues were able to very easily just hide/sneak in front of things that could ordinarily see invisible and get past them, there'd be MUCH more data about it. Just like how I said there should be much more about necros being able to dispel the recourse from their healing... it just wasn't possible.

My evidence is based on the rogue epic part of hate, which has the most information. It basically says be careful because some things can see you and some can't, same as invis/itu combo.

Again, I'd rather the classic implementation goes in and I'm wrong.. than it doesn't and I can pretend to be right. There's always a strong following of people coming after my posts when the change inconveniences them. But as we all well know, this isn't the making friends section, this is the make it classic section.

Oh, and it is a fix not a nerf [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.].

Nirgon, I played a rogue. It was superior to invis. Devs basically stopped caring about it being better than invis in Velious. But in seb I could move around decently freely (1 in... 25ish? saw me), hate always had things that could see rogues. Again I cite the list from the safehouse of things that could see hide. I don't really get where your silly claim that we want it to be like sneak+hide when behind a mob, but at all times.

Dragons (Vox and Nagafen)
Fire Giants
Scorn Banshees
Lichs
Loathing Lichs
Evil Eyes
Huge Elemental (Lower Guk)

Lich's and Banshees saw it, which is why hate wasn't a sure thing.