When are they Implementing the Charm Nerf?

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Kich867 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You specifically said that you wouldn't find a lot of enchanters talking about doing it, or a forum of enchanters doing it, but there was a forum of enchanters talking about doing it and there were a lot of enchanters talking about doing it at the time.

First off, I'd point out that literally every post at your link is from at least ten days after Luclin was released.

Bigger picture though, I think we're talking past each other, so let me try a different tact. At that same forum you provided, I happened to find this interesting post about ... Chardok AoE. As that link clearly shows, people did AoE in Chardok in classic! There is zero doubt: Chardok AoEing happened in the classic era.

But that fact doesn't tell the whole story: it was also a very rare practice. And yet ... just a few years ago, you could not use that zone on Blue as a normal player: it was monopolized by AoE groups saying "hey, this was done in classic, we can do it here".

For years here, the AoE classes (including Enchanters) argued "this is 100% classic" ... while everyone else was saying "our Chardok looks nothing like the Chardok I remember when I played on live." It took awhile, but ultimately the staff did agree, and implemented the "unclassic" AoE limit. In retrospect, I think most here would agree that it made our server far more classic, not less.

Similarly here, yes we had Enchanters soloing in classic ... but anyone who played in classic remembers the holy trinity used to start every group: Enchanter, Cleric, and Tank. You couldn't always find all three, but you could find an Enchanter just as easily as you could find a Cleric, because both classes grouped primarily.

In fact, it's almost like Enchanters were such a primary part of grouping that other classes would go to the Enchanter forum and ask them for advice about grouping with them (again, from your link).

may i take the opportunity to ask you chanters, what you wish from your warriors? dont come with the very usual things like /assist. i know that one, else i wouldnt live to tell.

and my main is a cleric. so if you have any wishes to a cleric that i am not aware of yet, please feel so free to give me some hints here, too.

I promise, you won't find such posts on (say) the Necromancer or Mage forums, because those weren't primarily grouping classes in classic.

So, again, I'm not trying to get Charm removed from the game, and I'm not trying to make it impossible for an Enchanters to solo! I'm simply trying to make things on P99 look like the classic servers everyone played on from '99-'01, where charm was just a bit riskier, and so a lot more Enchanters grouped, because it was the fastest way for them to level in classic.

And ... we already have suggestions for how to do that, from people that know far more about classic evidence than either of us ... like Dolalin on the very first page of this thread:

Originally Posted by Dolalin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I spent three years archiving over 50GB of classic EQ sites and my best hunches on charm in classic are:

1) mob resists over lvl35 may have been higher in classic than they are on p99. Level 35 was a magic number for resists according to devs.

2) lots of little charm bugs that existed in classic that don't exist on p99 and would be hard to replicate (I compiled a list somewhere)

3) channeling at low levels is broken on p99, it's waaaaaay too easy to channel, a level 5 shaman succeeds like 80% of channels on p99 but only succeeded about 10% in classic, that matters

Just off the top of my head.