Best 4 person all caster/priest group

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Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

A few people have agreed with my overall points such as Danth, Kich867, and W1zard. Not that this matters, since the number of people who agree with you is irrelevant.

Currently I have data backing up my points, and you do not. Youu are indeed more likely to be wrong statistically. This is especially true since nobody has bothered providing more data. The Mage data isn't coming from me, so it isn't like I faked it to try and make my argument look good.

Also you are 100% fine with having a preference, nobody is forcing you to prefer one or the other. But if you want to talk in more objective terms, that is different.

Lol you actually think they agreed with your overall points [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There is no "data" that backs your point of preferring redundant utility to DPS. Such data does not and can not exist. I've said multiple times (dating back to my first post in this thread) that the hypothetical 4 best caster/priest group is without question Enc/Enc/Enc/Clr. I only got into this mage vs shaman debacle when you started making outlandish statements about how shaman was better and did as much damage or whatever you said initially. Which I think we've unequivocally proven false at this point. Even by your own data shaman does considerably less damage than mage. At this point you're just grasping on tight to "B.. b... but muh utility?! What about SAFETY?!?" talking point to justify your shaman preference cause you've admitted defeat on the shaman dps argument (thank god). The problem is shaman utility is nearly useless in this group assuming the enchanters and cleric are played by competent players. But as was said before this WHOLE DISCUSSION is assuming the player behind the keyboard is competent and knows how to play their class. Any competent group of 2+ enchanters and a cleric has absolutely no need whatsoever for a shaman. They don't need a 3rd person casting slow. A mage can cover malo. Your dots are meaningless. There isn't enough damage going around to have a need for more than a single cleric for healing output. The cleric also has permanent C2 and if bringing a mage or necro then mod rods/twitches. I don't see any reason to jam a shaman into this group where it's not needed or anywhere near the best choice.

Basically at this point the only logical point you can make is this: Shaman is a solid choice if you want to have a subpar class for 1-60 (a long ass time) and after extensive grinding and clicky/spell acquisition it becomes almost as good as other classes for the group and it allows you to do a couple niche fights you would have a harder time doing otherwise like Ixiblat and WW Dragons. Everything else you're saying is absolute bullshit.