Why is training allowed on p99 in veeshan's peak? (poll asking your opinion)

[newsmurf]

p.s tassle man it would help a lot when you keep bringing up all these instances of "no training is alowed here etc.etc." or, tons of people say they quit p99 because "training this this or that raid mobs etc", if you just copy pasted these things from sites and posted them as examples. not trolling or anything, 100% constructive criticism it would make your claims more solid if you had examples.

[Tasslehofp99]

Originally Posted by newsmurf [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is pretty laughable...again everyone who isn't TMO complains they want to reap the benefits of loot without matching the effort put in by the leading competitor. As sirken said...why would the guys on top want to change anything without you guys applying pressure? Stop throwing your hands up in the air asking for someone to fix things for you and take it upon yourselves. Shinko by himself griefed the hell out of a TMO raid for 4 hours, he made them miserable, i had TMO buds tell me how awful that raid was lol. Put your foot on their necks and step down on it until they have to ask you to breath. Assemble a raid force of alts outside of VP and make their life's miserable every time they log on to kill a dragon, you guys have the numbers, you have the keys, when their raids start taking 4-8 hours or aren't even completed, guess what, they might be willing to sit at a table with you and talk some terms = ). Don't try and play their game, play your own ^^.

You're missing the point, this server is meant to match classic everquest as closely as possibe right? So why is training allowed there when it wasn't on live eq?


My thing is no mob in kunark is hard, with 32k hps being the max. Training doesn't make any one guild better than another. In many cases during VP raids training is used as a tactic to buy your guild time, or as a defensive maneuver to prevent competing guilds from training you.


I say we just ban training altogether and let the real competition for VP begin.

[xmonkx]

Originally Posted by Tasslehofp99 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Look dude, training was never accepted by live sony csr reps. Non-csr meant no help recovering corpses.

Just looked through afterlifes archived news updates from their first VP raid onwards and see no mention of training being allowed or any mention of them experiencing train wars on mith marr, btw.

Prove it?

And you looked through Afterlife's archives please show me this too because I raided with Afterlife. Again prove it. Your word is shit here Tassle. As I said, this is your thread, you have the burden of proof.

Mith Marr was a cutthroat server. Anyone from Mith Marr that plays on P99 can attest to that. Why do you think Cats and Hats left the server? Now dont get me wrong. Afterlife did some stuff to make the community happy. Open Hate/Fear raids for free loots. But when it came to contested mobs it was get the hell out the way or get ran over. Aka VP training.

[Tasslehofp99]

Originally Posted by newsmurf [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

p.s tassle man it would help a lot when you keep bringing up all these instances of "no training is alowed here etc.etc." or, tons of people say they quit p99 because "training this this or that raid mobs etc", if you just copy pasted these things from sites and posted them as examples. not trolling or anything, 100% constructive criticism it would make your claims more solid if you had examples.

Original post contains a link to the everquest rulebook where you can easily find rules supporting my claims. Again the issue here isn't whether or not training was allowed on live, we have already established that it wasn't 7 pages back. The issue now is, why is it allowed in VP on P99?

[newsmurf]

im not missing the point -_-. the server rules aren't going to change. you're all missing the point by thinking they will =p.

[Vianna]

Originally Posted by xmonkx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

As I said Tassle, I dont know what server you came from but on Mith Marr it was work hard play hard. Aka training was aloud in VP. I wont believe otherwise until you show me some of your "Established Proof". You guys did ok in VP for the short time you were there. But you guys got burnt out and cry like bitches. And Vianna please get some raiding exp under your belt before comming in a raiding/training thread acting like you know some shit.

edit: Vianna, maybe if you were actually raiding when they implemented variances and FTE shouts - you would know they did this to counter poopsocking and less petitioning of GM's to see who got FTE snipes.

Stop belittling people please. All of us raided on live and have plenty of experience with raiding. Most of us anyway on this server. It is no different here than it was there except for the mechanics involving variance and FTE shouts. If you want to tell me some grand difference please do so. Answer the question I asked instead of belittling people in hopes that they will back down from your aggressive and combative attitude.

BTW we (Full Circle at the time) got VS and Innoruuk right before the windows in variance were extended. We took advantage of late in window mobs to do so. That was going to be our strategy going forward because we simply were not a hardcore guild. We were raiding when FTE shouts were implemented a whole (gasps) 3 weeks ago. We did not raid the same way as TMO or FE at the time because we were mostly a casual guild. Most of the mechanics is to get rid of staff involvement I agree with you on that one... congrats. That doesn't change what I have pointed out to you. Which you seem to have no reply for.

Show me how training another guild is a viable tool with the current end game mechanics. Show me where it has a place at all on a PVE server. I am glad you are convinced it was allowed on Mith marr and it very well could have been. This server isn't Mith Marr. It is Project 1999. There are many things different here than there was on live on any server. The changes implemented by the staff here make it a competitive end game where guilds race. It also allows GMs to have very little involvement...which is a good thing. What you can't seem to reply to is HOW training another guild is a good addition to these mechanics in any zone (VP now or any in the future). It doesn't add to the game experience at all and it does nothing but drive some people away from the game. Congrats I guess if you enjoy that.

[Versus]

VP was rotated between TMO and IB. This is because it was initially agreed upon, and then broken via a backstab. We agreed AGAIN to rotate mobs with IB, which was later broken again.

The reason it was rotated was because they were able to make our lives hell enough. You don't make our lives hell enough YET to come to any kind of agreement regarding a rotation. Simply coming to the table with nothing but your hand out isn't going to make us establish a deal with you.

Not speaking for the entire guild obviously. Training NEEDS to remain in the game to prevent fuckwit shittums from waking the Sleeper.

[xmonkx]

Originally Posted by Vianna [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

BTW we (Full Circle at the time) got VS and Innoruuk right before the windows in variance were extended.

Show me how training another guild is a viable tool with the current end game mechanics.

Grats? And you wonder why they moved to variances? Poopsock fest of 2013......

When was the last time someone killed a VP dragon... Seems like a good tool to me.

And also this isnt Mith Marr, but Rogean has spoken. QQ

[newsmurf]

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The reason it was rotated was because they were able to make our lives hell enough. You don't make our lives hell enough YET to come to any kind of agreement regarding a rotation. Simply coming to the table with nothing but your hand out isn't going to make us establish a deal with you.
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Holy shit is anyone listening, stop being wankers like i said.

[newsmurf]

oh damn i suck, but ya you know who i was quoting =p