Rules Lawyers

[amishriot]

Originally Posted by Psionide [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

"I don't think anyone should be forced to stay in one room to be able to claim a camp when the zone is virtually empty"- Sorry those are the rules. So it's ok for your to claim multiple mobs when the zone is virtually empty but not the wizard and shaman?

" had been in there for a couple hours by myself except for the one guy soloing at the zoneline."Again same deal here, so it's ok for you to take whatever you want when the zone is empty. Your problem was when the wizard and shaman showed up you didn't feel the need to communicate with them because you didn't feel that you should have to ask.

"There was nobody else in the zone so I branched out for a while with the intention of giving it up the second anyone came in wanting it" Again same deal here and what did you say yourself the shaman and wizard said to you? Oh here it is..............."They said I could have a camp but I had to tell them which one it was I wanted. First of all I did talk to them and they said if I told them which camp i wanted they would leave that one alone."

So let me sum this up............"There was nobody else in the zone so I branched out for a while with the intention of giving it up the second anyone came in wanting it"

Which were your words, then the 60s words......First of all I did talk to them and they said if I told them which camp i wanted they would leave that one alone."

There is a huge difference in the situations here. First of all they are lev 60 in zone designed for 4-20. Second I wasn't trying to claim any specific mobs, its crushbone....I just wanted to xp off whatever was open. It's completely different from a high level item camp. Sure people will claim camps when there are lots of people around but when theres 5 noobs in the zone its usually not really needed. Some of the people in zone were higher than me and some were lower level. We go after different mobs and sometimes those cross camps. We were all getting along just fine. The only problem was the 2 dickheads killing everything.

I did communicate with them and they ignored our claim on the castle because half of it was spawned. Also once again they are lev 60 in curshbone and I don't care if the rules say its ok...its still a dick move and if you can't see that then you are totally unreasonable and no amount of logic is ever gonna get through to you.

people of appropriate level should never have to compete for mobs or beg for a camp from high levels. When I go into that zone with my main I do buffs, and maybe tag mobs for faction but I don't kill anything but you don't know what everyone else is doing and it isn't fair for me to disrupt their zone. Don't even try to make a case that a lev 60 has just as much right to the zone. Other than camping an item they want then they shouldn't be killing anything let alone killing everything.

Sometimes the mobs in the camp you are at are not enough for your group. If there are very few people in the zone you should be able to branch out and kill more. You shouldn't have to beg some lev 60s for more "land" They are a zone disruption

[amishriot]

I think I'm done camping items for a while. I had another incident today with that damn ass/sup camp. I had been there for a few hours minding my own business. Not killing any other camps. Many people came through, waved and left. Something important in real life came up and I had to afk for 5 mins or so. I wasn't sure how long id be afk so I went down and sat by the ladder, near where drop down hole. I came back 5 mins later and there had been a CC by Afara. I went up the ladder to find him sitting in my camp. So i sent him a tell saying - This is my camp, I had to afk for a few mins, I'm sorry I missed your cc. He responds with doing the rules lawyer bullshit because i was outside the room. It wasn't like i was very far. He claims to have not seen me sitting next to the ladder but i find that really hard to believe because I didn't even invis since i wanted to keep my pet and knew i wasn't gonna be that long. Everything was dead when he showed up and i was sitting in plain sight to anyone who cared to look in the only safe spot to be. Because i was at the bottom of the ladder instead of the top he decides thats a good reason to steal my camp.

He said he only wanted the bag and I told him he could have it since I already had one but that wasn't good enough for him. He told me if I gave him my bag he would go away. I said no because I don't know this guy and he could just take my bag and KS the mob for the belt anyway. I attempted to speak to a guild officer of his hoping to get this sorted out peacefully but there wasn't any on. The supplier spawned and I pulled it. He starts blasting it with undead nukes so I charmed it because i know i can't keep up with his damage. I try to reason with him once again and he refuses to cooperate so i try to kill the mob off on another mob. I'd rather lose the thing then give up without a fight to some guy who wants to bully into my camp. He just kills the mobs that I attacked though so that isn't working. I ran down the stairs and broke the charm and nuked the mob down, he was right behind me and trying to nuke it as well. Mob starts to run and of course pulls a bunch of mobs onto us both. Lucky me of course he can just FD so I die. I'm not saying he pulled a train on me I just want to make that clear before he comes in here and tries to strawman this story. It just happened in the struggle over the mob. Although he should never have been attacking it in the first place.

To all the rules lawyers who are going to support this guy I would like to point out a few technicalities. The room was not spawned it was all dead. The rules state you have to maintain a presence at the camp. It doesn't say you must be inside the room, although for the 2+ hours i was there previously I never left for a second. There is also something about no respect for AFK camping and I'm sure some arsehole will bring that up so I'm gonna respond to that now. I read that rule and it seems like its meant for longterm rather than a single incident of having to walk away from the computer to take care of some personal stuff for a whole 5 mins. It alsodoesn't say its grounds for someone to take you camp for leaving the keyboard for a few mins. I'm sure that wont stop the rules lawyers from sighting that one but not even Afara tried to go there.

Had no other problems with anyone else in the zone and even tried to give that bag away for food and water or even just for free but they kept rotting because nobody came. Most people respect camps but its the few out there that make these camping rules needed because they try to claim entire floors or steal someones camp. I just want to be left alone in peace to do an item camp and not have to worry that if i afk for 5 mins some guy will jack the camp. It's just not worth the stress to me anymore. I think the good people on this server out number the bad by a lot but the bad ones really ruin it for us all and make us all have to stress over camping stuff because of their selfishness. Thx for ruining what had been a nice relaxing camp Afara, I hope Europa is proud of you.

[myriverse]

Maintaining a presence at the camp is being in the room. You left your camp to go afk, thereby losing your camp. That's not rules lawyering.

[amishriot]

Originally Posted by myriverse [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Maintaining a presence at the camp is being in the room. You left your camp to go afk, thereby losing your camp. That's not rules lawyering.

I don't see in the rules where it says maintaining a presence at the camp means you have to sit on top of the spawns. What counts as a room? Its not like they have doors. These rules were obviously put there to stop people from claiming multiple camps, roaming to each. Something I definitely wasn't doing since I never left the area. You say the room and at the top of the ladder? well I say it ends at bottom. Prove you are correct.

If you have to resort to technicalities to make a case then that is rules lawyering. How about just leaving people alone to their camp and you goto one thats open? Do you honestly feel like nobody is allowed to ever go afk for a few mins? That's ridiculous and im pretty sure that was never intended by the rules. It's not like i was going afk for 20 mins every spawn. It was 5 mins out of 2+ hours/ Unfortunately rules lawyers, like yourself make this into a fight rather than a friendly game.

[Millburn]

We've gone full circle here and now you've become the rules lawyer, you left your camp and you lost it. Don't be a jerk and accept it duder.

[myriverse]

Originally Posted by amishriot [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't see in the rules where it says maintaining a presence at the camp means you have to sit on top of the spawns. What counts as a room? Its not like they have doors. These rules were obviously put there to stop people from claiming multiple camps, roaming to each. Something I definitely wasn't doing since I never left the area. You say the room and at the top of the ladder? well I say it ends at bottom. Prove you are correct.

If you have to resort to technicalities to make a case then that is rules lawyering. How about just leaving people alone to their camp and you goto one thats open? Do you honestly feel like nobody is allowed to ever go afk for a few mins? That's ridiculous and im pretty sure that was never intended by the rules. It's not like i was going afk for 20 mins every spawn. It was 5 mins out of 2+ hours/ Unfortunately rules lawyers, like yourself make this into a fight rather than a friendly game.

You admitted to leaving the area. Going AFK leaves the area. You were not present, therefor you had no presence in the area.

No technicalities. This isn't rocket science. Words mean shit.

[Swish]

Think how much worse this whole thread would be if boxing were allowed on the server...

[NegaStoat]

Originally Posted by myriverse [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You admitted to leaving the area. Going AFK leaves the area. You were not present, therefor you had no presence in the area.

No technicalities. This isn't rocket science. Words mean shit.

Edit - The GM later in the thread cleared up the matter. All things considered, I'll still take screenshots and host them for evidence reference if I have to Petition someone who won't follow the rules.

[Flipsyo]

i like to troll people that do this sometimes. I see how long i can make their responses with as few words as i can

[Llodd]

Originally Posted by myriverse [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You admitted to leaving the area. Going AFK leaves the area. You were not present, therefor you had no presence in the area.

No technicalities. This isn't rocket science. Words mean shit.

Of course all very true. And yet the words "you are a dick" spring readily and so easily to mind in situations like this.

I mean, god forbid people actually might communicate and work things out amicably (like the op tried) But hey where's the grief to be had from that? I don't personally have anything against the rules, they serve their purpose. The problem is that the rules are far more advantageous to dick heads than they are to people of an ethical persuasion.