So who wants to see the potential teams?

[Kergan]

Why do people keep bringing up item loot? It's like they think at some point in time someone will actually loot something of value.

All it does is give people incentive to leave their good stuff in the bank/bagged watering down PVP, or to avoid PVP all together (especially dying). It also furthers the advantage the top 5% have as most of the top gear is non drop. Good luck taking out someone VP geared wearing shin gauntlets and leather.

Stop beating this dead horse, item loot does not add anything and detracts completely from PVP gameplay. Item loot only works in games like UO where even valuable items are fairly easy to replace, not a game like EQ that is literally 100% about items for character progression.

[Lowlife]

Originally Posted by Kergan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why do people keep bringing up item loot? It's like they think at some point in time someone will actually loot something of value.

All it does is give people incentive to leave their good stuff in the bank/bagged watering down PVP, or to avoid PVP all together (especially dying). It also furthers the advantage the top 5% have as most of the top gear is non drop. Good luck taking out someone VP geared wearing shin gauntlets and leather.

Stop beating this dead horse, item loot does not add anything and detracts completely from PVP gameplay. Item loot only works in games like UO where even valuable items are fairly easy to replace, not a game like EQ that is literally 100% about items for character progression.

nilbog wants it.

[Sirken]

Originally Posted by Kergan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why do people keep bringing up item loot? It's like they think at some point in time someone will actually loot something of value.

All it does is give people incentive to leave their good stuff in the bank/bagged watering down PVP, or to avoid PVP all together (especially dying). It also furthers the advantage the top 5% have as most of the top gear is non drop. Good luck taking out someone VP geared wearing shin gauntlets and leather.

Stop beating this dead horse, item loot does not add anything and detracts completely from PVP gameplay. Item loot only works in games like UO where even valuable items are fairly easy to replace, not a game like EQ that is literally 100% about items for character progression.

item loot is in. so stop crying about a system that wont exist here on p99, and start brain storming a way to make it fun.

just a reminder, after the merge, theres no rule that says it has to be all one server or the other, if feedback tells us some stuff about R99 is great and some stuff about T99 is great, then we will just cherry pick the features. IE: its very possible to have a post merge server with teams but not item loot.



because... science

[Noselacri]

Originally Posted by Sirken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

item loot is in. so stop crying


because... science

Then good luck, I'm not touching this crap with a ten foot pole. Server will last a month. What a waste of effort for everyone involved. I'm not even gonna bother logging in once to have a look.

[Technique]

Originally Posted by Sirken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

item loot is in. so stop crying about a system that wont exist here on p99, and start brain storming a way to make it fun.

The only way to achieve that in a game like EQ is to discard the concept of zero-sum item loot.

One item per kill, selectable only from the set of droppable items equipped by the victim at the time of death and wearable by the killer's race/class/deity. Upon looting, generate a NODROP, NORENT copy of the chosen item for the killer, with the additional condition that it disappears on death (preventing players from circumventing the NORENT property by saving the item on a corpse).

The original item must also be flagged in some fashion so that it can't be "looted" more than once, in order to make it impossible to farm several copies of desirable items by repeatedly killing the owner of the originals.

Of course these mechanics would require special case code and DB modification that might not be feasible, or even possible, given how rigid EQEmu is.

[HippoNipple]

Originally Posted by Technique [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The only way to achieve that in a game like EQ is to discard the concept of zero-sum item loot.

One item per kill, selectable only from the set of droppable items equipped by the victim at the time of death and wearable by the killer's race/class/deity. Upon looting, generate a NODROP, NORENT copy of the chosen item for the killer, with the additional condition that it disappears on death (preventing players from circumventing the NORENT property by saving the item on a corpse).

The original item must also be flagged in some fashion so that it can be "looted" only once, in order to make it impossible to farm several copies of desirable items by repeatedly killing the owner of the originals.

Of course these mechanics would require special case code and DB modification that might not be feasible, or even possible, given how rigid EQEmu is.

That is all reward with no consequence to the player dying. You would literally have raiders from a guild killing each other before a raid to duplicate items. It would take away from any risk. I think looting items the players are wearing is too much for this player base. I'm pretty set on being able to loot 1 item from inventory/bags that are not no drop and I can't really see any downside to this.

[Technique]

Originally Posted by HippoNipple [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You would literally have raiders from a guild killing each other before a raid to duplicate items.

Not possible, it's a teams server, remember?

Although I agree there'd be no real consequence for the victim as far as the item loot aspect of death goes. But I see no other way to allow for it and still meet sirken's requirement of making it "fun".