OFFICIAL PROPOSAL from FE/TMO

[goshozal]

Originally Posted by jaybone [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I would find it extremeley sad if a guild made an alt guild so they could cheese their way into a rotation.

I don't think it's unreasonable at this point to assume that everyone will do whatever is in their power to benefit themselves. Isn't that how we got here?

[benjay]

Classic Eq raiding was never designed to be fair, soooo this will never work, whatever compromise you assume you will have a loophole will be found, TMO could easily split into 3 guilds and take the same amount of targets they do now without infracting any rule that is mentioned in any of your ideas

[Autotune]

Originally Posted by Lron [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Having a raid council of trusted members in all guilds to decide if a guild is legitimate or not would solve this.

Hot damn Lron with the smack down.

Seriously though, there are many ways to determine the legitimacy of a guild. Nilbog and Rogean have both weighed in on guild sizes in the past and both realized that Guilds here are much larger than they should be for classic. This is due to variance and I think anything that causes guilds to trim the fat (really only hardcore guilds care about the rate at which members gear up) is a good thing.


Let the guilds legitimately split and punish any guild who tries to raid under alts by completely disbanding and banning their main and alt guild. Simple as that.

[CodyF86]

Originally Posted by Rusl [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

one thing we can all agree on is stop killing OoA so we get nobles spawning during every guild's sky clears... 1 mob down 18 to go...

Did Taken leave him up yesterday? Thought they said they were waiting for 2 hours as per that one agreement before killing him yesterday. I may be wrong tho.

We didn't touch him, don't get me wrong it's one hell of a fight for us, but with a good cheal chain doable. (We wiped last time with him at 50% because the cheal chain was off.) So I'm kind of confused now.

Aaradin
The A-Team

[Yinikren]

I was not there, but I think we killed him because we had not yet come to a formal agreement on it.

[-Catherin-]

we waited over two and a half hours before we moved in to engage OoA. no other guild even showed up. im sure someone has a timestamp in their logs

[heals4reals]

How do I get my guild on the raid rotation if it's not one of the ones listed on OP?

[Buriedpast]

Originally Posted by Frieza_Prexus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think it's becoming clear that this proposal, no matter how much some may find it agreeable, is failing.

I think the failure is due to complexity, and I think a self-policing and simpler system stands a greater chance of acceptance.

Succint and with less swearing than I could manage.

Thanks Xasten.

Bag limit brother?

[Hitpoint]

Originally Posted by YendorLootmonkey [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I asked Taken what toll it was taking on their guild in order to go after Inny in this raid environment. Other "casual" guilds can read and envision their own guilds in this situation and help answer the question above...

Any now inny is a sure thing for them and we don't stand a chance. Pretty smart strat for them imo. They chose a messy mob to go after, we have the same problems with trains etc. If they camp at VS room instead do you not think they'd get a few of those with no trains at all? Sev pull spot? They can still get every inny with this agreement, plus an even easier one once a month.

[CodyF86]

Originally Posted by -Catherin-

we waited over two and a half hours before we moved in to engage OoA. no other guild even showed up. im sure someone has a timestamp in their logs

No other guild showed up because everyone wants to leave him up.

Aaradin
The A-Team