ASOIAF / Game of Thrones (SPOILERS INSIDE)

[Sidelle]

Originally Posted by Sirken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

..what do u think? Robert Strong = undead Gregor with Robbs head crudely stitched on for a head

I just had the most absurd image pop into my head. Gregor's huge body + Robb's tiny head might just look like this (ignore the L.L. Bean outfit, of course):

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[Dalven]

Originally Posted by Sirken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

so.. gregors head is shipped to dorne, which means he cant technically smash his undead brother in his face.

but that being said you touched on a pretty awesome theory .. we've never seen Robb Starks head, we only know that Joffrey requests it be sent to Kings Landing after the red wedding and before the purple wedding.

sooo.. we have Ser Robert Strong. if u google a german to english translator, you can see that Stark translates to Strong. and we havent seen Robb Starks head since the red wedding... and we havent ever seen Robert Strongs face/head

i think you can see where im going with this. what do u think? Robert Strong = undead Gregor with Robbs head crudely stitched on for a head

Awesome, I've not heard that one before. Nice hints in the name as well.

I have always presumed that the large head sent to Dorne belonged to one of the dwarfs Cersei had killed. In particular I can vaguely remember thinking it was the "sparrow" wandering dwarf septon's head for some reason. I also think Cersei makes a comment about not giving a shit who's head was sent - something about not knowing who a skull belongs to once its been cleaned.

Robb's missing head reminds me of another minor point - where are Ned Stark's bones? Greywater Watch? Does it even matter?

[Dalven]

Originally Posted by Sidelle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I just had the most absurd image pop into my head. Gregor's huge body + Robb's tiny head might just look like this (ignore the L.L. Bean outfit, of course):

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Lol, that thing gave me nightmares when I was a kid.

[uygi]

Jesus I'm late to this party. Too lazy to read it all now...

Seems to me that Maester Aemon hit the nail on the head when he indicated, on his deathbed, that Daenerys was Azor Azhai reborn. Makes sense, Targaryen, Dragons, and a clear "paladin" mentality".

Martin has made it clear that he'll fuck anybody. That was the entire point of killing Ned in the first place, to make it clear that anybody can die at any time. I think Jon Snow's human body will die, and he'll live on as Ghost. Robb did legitimize Jon Snow, but who's left that knows and/or can prove that? If Jon Snow really is Azor Azhai then I agree that Melisandre will have to save him and figure it out (not necessarily in that order... probably figure it out whilst saving him)- that or his being Azor Azhai just keeps him from dying... I don't see any reason that Azor Azhai reborn needs to be a Targaryen.

I've not really discussed this with people, never heard the Rhaegar + Lyanna = Jon Snow but that makes a lot of sense. I guess I just didn't really care that much, I read Dance with Dragons right away when it came out and before that it'd been 4.5 years since I last read any of the others. Unlike all these preppy new kids, I started reading the series in like 2000!

[Sirken]

Originally Posted by uygi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't see any reason that Azor Azhai reborn needs to be a Targaryen.

more on this. A LOT of people think that Azor Azai must be Targaryen because they are assuming that Azor Azai and "The Prince that was Promised" is the same person. maybe thats true, and maybe not. Melisandre is the only one that has used both terms, and im not sure if she was using them interchangeably or as separate people. Maester Aemon does say in book for that the red star + the return of dragons = Dany is the Prince that was Promised, but Aemon has never used the term Azor Azai. Maester Aemon’s notion is supported by the woods witch, who prophesied that the prince that was promised would be born from the line of Prince Aerys and Princess Rhaella. When Aegon V heard the prophecy he arranged the marriage between the two, and many people believed that Rhaegar would be the prince that was promised, although that didnt work out. However, Daenerys Targaryen is also of that same line, their daughter. Maester Aemon goes on to explain why the Prince that was promised could be a female:

No one ever looked for a girl ... It was a prince that was promised, not a princess. Rhaegar I thought … the smoke was from the fire that devoured Summerhall on the day of his birth, the salt from the tears shed for those who died. He shared my belief when he was young, but later he became persuaded that it was his own son who fulfilled the prophecy, for a comet had been seen above King’s Landing on the night Aegon was conceived, and Rhaegar was certain the bleeding star had to be a comet.

personally i think they will be separate people, and i expect it to be Daenerys Targaryen and Jon Snow. with Dany being Azor Azai and Jon Snow being the Prince that was Promised. i expect Dany to give her life in some fashion that will forever save mankind from the threat of the Whitewalkers, and Jon Snow as the prince that was promised will be declared the rightful king of Westeros, and will unite the North and the South. i know, i know.. what about Aegon? Aegon will be killed, or more likely discovered to be an imposter as has happened a few times in English history (GRRM loves to borrow from english history).

[Sirken]

Originally Posted by Dalven [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I have always presumed that the large head sent to Dorne belonged to one of the dwarfs Cersei had killed. In particular I can vaguely remember thinking it was the "sparrow" wandering dwarf septon's head for some reason. I also think Cersei makes a comment about not giving a shit who's head was sent - something about not knowing who a skull belongs to once its been cleaned.

Robb's missing head reminds me of another minor point - where are Ned Stark's bones? Greywater Watch? Does it even matter?

i think they wanted you to think that for shock value when its robb. Bran has this dream, There were shadows all around them. One Shadow was dark as ash, with the terrible face of a hound. Another was armored like the sun, golden and beautiful. Over them loomed a Giant in armor made of stone, but when he opened his visor, there was nothing inside but darkness and thick black blood. i believe the third person is robert strong before he has robbs head. just a crackpot theory, could easily be wrong, but i like to think im right.

as far as neds bones. i have a feeling they're at Greywater Watch with Howland Reed. their last known whereabouts was near Moat Cailin, which we were told was being harassed by crannogmen. So im thinking that they ended up at Greywater Watch, which would be seriously awesome because that means his bones are safe and well looked after at least by his old friend Howland Reed. we know that they haven't reached Barrowton yet according to Lady Barbrey Dustin, so they can't have gone much farther than Moat Cailin. and if they were seen at Moat Cailin a while ago, they SHOULD have reached Barrowton, so it stands to reason that Neds bones are at Greywater Watch with Howland Reed.

and i NEED this, because i NEED to see Howland Reed. hes the last person alive from the incident at the Tower of Joy. and the last person that can say for sure if R+L=J.

[Sirken]

Originally Posted by uygi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I've not really discussed this with people, never heard the Rhaegar + Lyanna = Jon Snow but that makes a lot of sense. I guess I just didn't really care that much, I read Dance with Dragons right away when it came out and before that it'd been 4.5 years since I last read any of the others. Unlike all these preppy new kids, I started reading the series in like 2000!

remember Neds dream from book 1? http://youtu.be/v9Mp8MzAjAY

thats probably the single biggest piece of evidence for R+L=J imo

[Funkutron5000]

Quad post. You need to settle down, Sirks. We're all excited!

Neeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeerrrrrrrrrrrrrddddddddd dddddddddssssssssssssssssss.

[Red_Psyphon]

Just got into Game of thrones last week, already caught up...so awesome and so sad. I love it!

[deezy]

Greetings, I just spent the last 3 weeks reading this thread from work.

Originally Posted by Sirken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

personally i think they will be separate people, and i expect it to be Daenerys Targaryen and Jon Snow. with Dany being Azor Azai and Jon Snow being the Prince that was Promised. i expect Dany to give her life in some fashion that will forever save mankind from the threat of the Whitewalkers, and Jon Snow as the prince that was promised will be declared the rightful king of Westeros, and will unite the North and the South. i know, i know.. what about Aegon? Aegon will be killed, or more likely discovered to be an imposter as has happened a few times in English history (GRRM loves to borrow from english history).

I think it might be the other way around considering Aemon explicitly names Daenerys as the prince that was promised. While Melisandre saw Snow while looking in the fire after she asked for a glimpse of Azor Ahai.