Congratulations Lord Bob

[Asap]

I summon Mod Rods for all

[Raavak]

Originally Posted by arsenalpow [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You can do whatever the fuck you want unless lord Zagum says you aren't supposed to id presume.

Fuck Zagum. And I will continue to be nice to everyone, despite you.

[Sirken]

Originally Posted by YendorLootmonkey [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There's a difference between creating a raid environment that caters to conflicting styles of play, and respecting a player/guild agreement that even TMO abides by. Lord Bob has been clear they are not interested in respecting any player-enforced agreements... therefore forcing players to act to enforce via sanctions or diplomatic/non-diplomatic pressure.

serious?

you're comparing "staff enforced rules" to "player enforced agreements". TMO agreed to what the staff declared as law. if Bob guild wants to prep for Class C by testing what they can do versus the Class R guilds, i think that would be an extremely smart move, and i commend them for it.

Originally Posted by arsenalpow [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

An entire raid class was created for shitting on one another, it's called class c. Bob only wants to shit on the easiest prey it can find. That's not irony.

you know perfectly well bob has no chance in Class C yet. and unlike SOME GUILDS in the this thread, they actually belong in Class R. when they feel they can compete they will move up to Class C. the staff didn't declare Class R to be a rotation, you guys did. we created it to Restrict the top guilds from monopolizing content for another 2 years.

[big mouth chew]

how to "shit on prey" on this server? does it have anything to do with priest of discord and a tome? if so, IM ALL FOR IT

[Ella`Ella]

Originally Posted by Sirken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

serious?

you're comparing "staff enforced rules" to "player enforced agreements". TMO agreed to what the staff declared as law. if Bob guild wants to prep for Class C by testing what they can do versus the Class R guilds, i think that would be an extremely smart move, and i commend them for it.

If we donate enough to the pantheon kickstarter, can we go back to pre-2014 raid rules?

[Wrench]

i remember the days when everyone was super excited about sirken coming over to gm on blue

[Mac Dretti]

Who is Lord Bob?

He good at EQ?

[Mac Dretti]

Originally Posted by Wrench [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

i remember the days when everyone was super excited about sirken coming over to gm on blue

Wotch ur mouth faget

Love u Sirk

[Derubael]

Originally Posted by A-aron

Who said they do? This is what's called a strawman.

Naw, it's called sarcasm. In any case,

Originally Posted by A-aron

Every other guild posts in the Sky thread for this. Why are you making the assumption that they contacted guilds individually? Is that something you just assumed?

Doljon as a whole isn't big on the forums. Most of their leadership rarely even comes here. Here's my conversation with their guild leader about the rotation. I approached him because I was concerned about someone raiding sky outside of the rotation causing a potential headache for the staff.

[Wed Dec 25 12:58:44 2013] You told Hyjal, 'was just curious what you guys were told when you tried to get into the sky rotation?'
[Wed Dec 25 12:59:06 2013] You told Hyjal, 'its not something gm's enforce, but i had heard several stories about what happened and was just trying to satisfy my own curiosity'
[Wed Dec 25 12:59:06 2013] Hyjal tells you, 'that we are uncapale of doing it'
[Wed Dec 25 12:59:19 2013] Hyjal tells you, 'uncapable'
[Wed Dec 25 12:59:56 2013] You told Hyjal, 'anything else...?'
[Wed Dec 25 13:01:07 2013] Hyjal tells you, 'honestly, were not use to rotations. the end game dragons/gods are not on a rotation'
[Wed Dec 25 13:01:18 2013] Hyjal tells you, 'but for some reason sky is. we are unable to compete with dragons, gods'
[Wed Dec 25 13:01:22 2013] Hyjal tells you, 'currently at least'
[Wed Dec 25 13:01:45 2013] Hyjal tells you, 'our only options are the planes. we asked about rotation when we first started, but was told we were uncapable of doign the plane'
[Wed Dec 25 13:02:01 2013] Hyjal tells you, 'so we just have gone against the grain i guess'
[Wed Dec 25 13:02:34 2013] You told Hyjal, 'was there any justification as to why you couldn't handle clearing sky...?'
[Wed Dec 25 13:03:02 2013] Hyjal tells you, 'nope, just that we havent proven anything basically'
[Wed Dec 25 13:03:18 2013] Hyjal tells you, 'the initial hostility definitely set the tone for us. we have gone more toward an FTE environment'


[Wed Dec 25 13:17:36 2013] You told Hyjal, 'i have no idea who decides on the sky rotation, i dont think its any one person'
[Wed Dec 25 13:17:45 2013] You told Hyjal, 'thats why i was wondering who had told you no'
[Wed Dec 25 13:18:44 2013] Hyjal tells you, 'ah. i asked random folks in ib, and bregan at first'

Unless Doljon's guild leader was straight up lying to me in this conversation, which he really had no reason to do considering I had already expressed to him that we don't enforce the Sky rotation, I'd say my info is correct regarding Doljon being told 'no' is correct.

Maybe Doljonijiarnimorinar should have tried harder to get on the rotation, I can't speak to that. But I can say that if I had asked about getting on the rotation and was told 'no, you aren't good enough for sky,' I wouldn't be thrilled about pursuing the issue further either.

I rarely just 'assume' things, A-aron, and when I do, I make sure it's a solid assumption backed by evidence first. Doljon didn't get invited to voice their opinion at the raid talks either, and you guys are surprised that they are jaded?

[arsenalpow]

Originally Posted by Ella`Ella [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If we donate enough to the pantheon kickstarter, can we go back to pre-2014 raid rules?

WE WANT COMPETITION

Rotates the first set of VP spawns