Shaman race debate

[citizen1080]

Originally Posted by phro [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Exactly.

As an ogre you trade double your free HPs recovered in perpetuity for a slight edge on content that .01% of shaman ever attempt.

If you're committed to invest a few hundred hours on a character leveling, raiding, farming torpor and you're sole purpose for the character is to solo crazy stuff then you're one of those obsessive types where the actual leveling is the least investment in time.

Ogre fanboys, please name one mob that was soloed by an Ogre shaman that hasn't also been soloed by a troll shaman at some point.

Western wastes dragons are the Superbowl of shaman solo farming. When anyone brings up ogre being the master race this is usually what they reference. Didn't play a shaman on live till Pop so couldn't tell you if trolls/iksar solo these easily as well.

[Catashe]

Originally Posted by citizen1080 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Western wastes dragons are the Superbowl of shaman solo farming. When anyone brings up ogre being the master race this is usually what they reference. Didn't play a shaman on live till Pop so couldn't tell you if trolls/iksar solo these easily as well.

Yea and I sure Luclin was close to being out or out when they actually HAD a chance to do them because in Velious people killed them all the time... No one just soloing them for kicks

[Bristlebaner]

I chose ogre for looks and stats. Iksar are cool but their stats are weak.

[theaetatus]

Originally Posted by phro [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Exactly.

As an ogre you trade double your free HPs recovered in perpetuity for a slight edge on any content where you get hit at all.

Fixed that one for you.

Ogre fanboys, please name one mob that was soloed by an Ogre shaman that hasn't also been soloed by a troll shaman at some point.

Literally no-one has ever claimed ogres can solo content that trolls etc cannot. It just makes soloing harder content slightly easier, just as extra regen makes easy content like buffing raids slightly easier.

[Synthlol]

Originally Posted by phro [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

0.01% of shaman ever attempt.

Wow, one in every ten thousand shaman?

Or do you need to go back to grade school and relearn your numbers?

[phro]

I'd bet the number of shaman who soloed a WW dragon vs the number of shaman created on live would be even lower than that.

[iruinedyourday]

im playing a ogre shaman now, on red. I cant tell if it makes a difference becuse XP is flying at me to fucking fast to know what the hell is going on.

[arsenalpow]

Slowscales soloed Lodi as an iksar with no betabuff, just his own gear

[skorge]

Originally Posted by phro [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Everyone says ogre all the way as if the entire play experience can be boiled down to a few moments where you're tanking some hits.

Regen is so incredibly huge when you factor in time and the fact that it is always in effect. Canni effectively makes it permanent breeze that stacks with clarity and all your other available mana regen.

Over the course of any moderately leveled character the one with regen will have healed millions and millions of HP for free that you didn't have. With Canni how many more spells will have been able to cast over the same play time? You don't think one of those hundreds of thousands of HPs or one of those single spells will save me or my friends as much as not getting stunned in one situation where shit is already hitting the fan?

Lol I love this debate, and Phro understands why Troll = #1 shaman race, even in Best of the Best tournaments.

Put simply regen > all traits in the game. In fact, regen is so good, Verant made trolls and iksars suffer from the largest exp penalty in the game because of it. They knew enough about basic math to understand exactly what Phro just said here - a troll/iksar shaman regens thousands and thousands of more hps over ogres/barbs giving them more casts via canni/manastone, in their lifetime, allowing them to level faster, powerlevel players easier, group with people easier, etc. Regen is KING yo.

Also, if you think that ogre shaman can solo mobs that trolls/barbs/iks can't then you are dead wrong. That frontal stun immunity racial ogres have is just "nice" to have, that is all. Regen is also "nice" to have. Which one do you want? One that is ALWAYS in effect or one that is very rarely in effect?

PS - to those who don't know why I pick trolls as #1, it's the simple fact they can wear and use the JBB (the snare neck is an added bonus). If Iksars could wear the JBB they would get my number #1 pick. The JBB is just too good to pass up, unfortunately, for iksars.

[Teppler]

Originally Posted by skorge [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Also, if you think that ogre shaman can solo mobs that trolls/barbs/iks can't then you are dead wrong. That frontal stun immunity racial ogres have is just "nice" to have, that is all. Regen is also "nice" to have. Which one do you want? One that is ALWAYS in effect or one that is very rarely in effect?

The one that's "nice" to have that is more likely to help on the more challenging encounters.