Upcoming change to class epics

[WolfsongReborn]

Originally Posted by surron [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

pras this well needed change.

I agree but why allow it for years in the first place...especially when the planes are being used less and less every day?

[woad]

I am so shocked by how many people are praising this change ! first of all earning 25 to 100k takes a lot of dedication and farming . you have to kill , sell and trade your wares and then kill some more and then hope to find someone actually selling the epic parts you need . some require raid forces some don't . its just as epic as the epic IMHO! especially if you are not guilded !
the reason people buy these items for their twinks is because they are the best items available , you think people will quit twinking? NO! they are going to start paying 500k for frostreaver and willsapper loot rights and believe in 5 years of the same expansion that stuff will ROT OFTEN .
IMHO if you want to take MQ's out or make the level reqs 46 or whatever fine but don't punish those who have already put in the work to earn these items . there should be some grandfathered thing where those who have already gotten the quest finished can still equip .
and as far as the RMT fix they will prolly just go full blown into power leveling so all the noob zones will be bard swarmed to death .
but while we are making drastic changes I say we go ahead and make fungi tunics level restricted too since its by far the most USEFUL of all items to any class who can equip far greater than any epic at low levels .

[Rararboker]

Azzar, you should read instead of rage. There is no lvl check for the turn ins. They are only adding lvl requirements to the items. Which is why I'm saying they shouldnt add lvl requirements to the items. Doing that stops everyone in the future as well as people who did this in the past. People who couldn't have known this was going to happen. L2Read

[Kender]

Originally Posted by woad [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I am so shocked by how many people are praising this change ! first of all earning 25 to 100k takes a lot of dedication and farming . you have to kill , sell and trade your wares and then kill some more and then hope to find someone actually selling the epic parts you need . some require raid forces some don't . its just as epic as the epic IMHO! especially if you are not guilded !
the reason people buy these items for their twinks is because they are the best items available , you think people will quit twinking? NO! they are going to start paying 500k for frostreaver and willsapper loot rights and believe in 5 years of the same expansion that stuff will ROT OFTEN .
IMHO if you want to take MQ's out or make the level reqs 46 or whatever fine but don't punish those who have already put in the work to earn these items . there should be some grandfathered thing where those who have already gotten the quest finished can still equip .
and as far as the RMT fix they will prolly just go full blown into power leveling so all the noob zones will be bard swarmed to death .
but while we are making drastic changes I say we go ahead and make fungi tunics level restricted too since its by far the most USEFUL of all items to any class who can equip far greater than any epic at low levels .

you and others like you have totally missed the point

many epics coudlnt be completed until you were a certain level. the quest giver simply wouldnt talk to you or accept the items. Even the rogue epic has an NPC that wont talk to anyone below level 50 and that's the easiest to complete

IMO epic MQ's should be removed entirely so that people legitimately trying to do their quest dont get blocked out by farmers

[Grubbz]

Originally Posted by Kender [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

you and others like you have totally missed the point

many epics coudlnt be completed until you were a certain level. the quest giver simply wouldnt talk to you or accept the items. Even the rogue epic has an NPC that wont talk to anyone below level 50 and that's the easiest to complete

IMO epic MQ's should be removed entirely so that people legitimately trying to do their quest dont get blocked out by farmers

WRONG - No epic quest NPC before luclin came out had a min level req and if you disagree with this you have never truly played eq back in its heyday.

[AzzarTheGod]

Originally Posted by Grubbz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

WRONG - No epic quest NPC before luclin came out had a min level req and if you disagree with this you have never truly played eq back in its heyday.

This. Kender is simply incorrect. A FEW EPICS had a level 50 CHAT restriction I believe on the NPC conversation. THIS HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THE TURN-IN WORKING, AS WE FOUND OUT ONCE THE QUESTS WERE SOLVED. MANY QUESTS HAD NON-TRIGGERED DIALOGUE THAT YOU DID NOT HAVE TO COMPLETE.

Only 2-3 classes epic quests had a meaningful "Hail" restriction that prevented anyone below 50 from triggering the dialogue to cause a despawn/repop/pop. Etc. that I can recall. If you wanted to make it classic you would need to do forum archive research and learn which NPCs/epics were impacted by the sub-50 "Hail"/chat/dialogue restriction.

The majority of epics were not affected by the level 50 chat/hail restriction because the dialogue was discovered to be meaningless unless triggers/depops based on DIALOGUE were necessary.

You obviously didn't play 1999-2001 era. As previously mentioned in the thread, people recall Telin Darkforest not responding in classic, but he would accept the items anyway as it didn't require dialogue to depop/trigger anything. He took the items no problem.

[Grubbz]

Originally Posted by AzzarTheGod [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Only 2-3 classes epic quests had a meaningful "Hail" restriction that prevented anyone below 50 from triggering the dialogue to cause a despawn/repop/pop. Etc. that I can recall. If you wanted to make it classic you would need to do forum archive research and learn which NPCs/epics were impacted by the sub-50 "Hail"/chat/dialogue restriction.

You obviously didn't play 1999-2001 era.

Pretty sure the beastlords epic quest started the whole min level to spawn epic mob (you couldn't spawn the spirits prior to 51, if i recall correctly) or hand in items.