Upcoming change to class epics

[wormed]

This thread, man.

"Waaah, stop calling it classic then!!! /pout"

Lordy.

[bubur]

Originally Posted by Oleris [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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[ergo]

Yeah my bad, I guess it is too much to ask for honesty and integrity from anyone these days.

Also not stressed, disappointed is more the feeling. Forum quest is fun.

[AzzarTheGod]

Still waiting for the greenlight.

[Cecily]

Originally Posted by ergo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Well there's your first problem, your main is a monk. You went extreme hard mode for your first char since weight is a problem.

I am glad we are catering to the complete casual instead of the long term players that have managed to make 30k and can afford to buy a ragebringer for their lv 1 rogue.

Great plan.

You know what would solve the rogue problem. Damage caps by level on backstab. They already do that for all melee weapons and if it did that for backstabs, no one would care.

You understand that damage is capped by level on backstab, right? Of course you do, I'm sure. I haven't read all your hilarious posts, but you seem to be upset by not classic and simultaneously want to make a not classic change regarding my class. Nothing really to add besides I'm enjoying your melt down.

This is a change that was sorely needed, and I'm absolutely thrilled that new rogues will get to experience the joys of incremental weapon upgrades instead of the boring and game breaking trend of receiving your epic when you turn in your newbie note. Good job devs. Been hoping for this change for years.

[Messie]

Originally Posted by AzzarTheGod [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Still waiting for the greenlight.

Post something or shhh!

[ergo]

Originally Posted by Cecily [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You understand that damage is capped by level on backstab, right? Of course you do, I'm sure. I haven't read all your hilarious posts, but you seem to be upset by not classic and simultaneously want to make a not classic change regarding my class. Nothing really to add besides I'm enjoying your melt down.

This is a change that was sorely needed, and I'm absolutely thrilled that new rogues will get to experience the joys of incremental weapon upgrades instead of the boring and game breaking trend of receiving your epic when you turn in your newbie note. Good job devs. Been hoping for this change for years.

You think this is a melt down? Bitching and moaning on a thread on the internets is a melt down? Okay!

Disagreeing and arguing != a melt fyi. I am glad you have enjoyed the entertainment provided. I do live to entertain!


I do believe my statement about backstab came with a qualifier of 'if that is the real reason.'

I would much rather see a nerf to backstab damage at lower levels than remove the ability of all classes to use an item and equip it. If one is going to nerf something and go off script or classic in this case, err on side of least annoyance, instead of screwing over multiple class, again if this is reason.

Or better still if the argument is actually twinking, then apply it to more than just epic weapons. I believe I spelled this out quite clearly. I am sorry you failed to comprehend that when you were reading and deciding that anything I have posted was a 'melt down.'

So when they do this, do you not foresee the issue of every rogue using the same next best weapon until 46, thus making your weapon progression idea moot? I guess you already thought of that right?

[Cecily]

Once upon a time, rogues were a fairly rare class on P99. Very hard class to start out with and expensive to gear. Impossible to solo and also poor unless you got lucky on 1 in 6 rolls. The only people playing rogues were those who loved the class for what it was, flaws and all. Low level MQs completely changed that demographic.

Rogues became a twink class which anyone with a large chunk of plat could roll a level one with a fungi and solo to 50. Many were originally solo casters and awful at playing a melee. Lazy players who'd AFK all the time while acting like you were lucky to have them. I guess you were if they'd actually pay attention and backstab, of course then they'd be tanking. God help them if they didn't have a fungi, because no sub-50 warrior had a snowballs chance in hell to hold agro off them. Which lead to these twinks having no concept of agro control when they hit Sebilis.

Probably the worst thing to come of it was the rampant discrimination faced by any poor rogue without an epic. Plenty of people got denied groups because the population got so used to rogues twinks. And if you did get a group you caught shit about not having it. The whole thing was a disaster. MQs made a joke of my class and broke the low level game. Good riddance.

[ergo]

Originally Posted by Cecily [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Once upon a time, rogues were a fairly rare class on P99. Very hard class to start out with and expensive to gear. Impossible to solo and also poor unless you got lucky on 1 in 6 rolls. The only people playing rogues were those who loved the class for what it was, flaws and all. Low level MQs completely changed that demographic.

Rogues became a twink class which anyone with a large chunk of plat could roll a level one with a fungi and solo to 50. Many were originally solo casters and awful at playing a melee. Lazy players who'd AFK all the time while acting like you were lucky to have them. I guess you were if they'd actually pay attention and backstab, of course then they'd be tanking. God help them if they didn't have a fungi, because no sub-50 warrior had a snowballs chance in hell to hold agro off them. Which lead to these twinks having no concept of agro control when they hit Sebilis.

Probably the worst thing to come of it was the rampant discrimination faced by any poor rogue without an epic. Plenty of people got denied groups because the population got so used to rogues twinks. And if you did get a group you caught shit about not having it. The whole thing was a disaster. MQs made a joke of my class and broke the low level game. Good riddance.

So let me get this right. Because some people are douche bags, you think that makes this okay to nerf all epics? Is this really your best reason/argument against people that can, having a ragebringer, spear of fate, sprinkler, celestial fists?

Seriously? Tell me you have something better.

edit - Also what makes you think the same douchebaggery wont exist at lv 46 for rogues without epics? Oh wait it wont solve that, just delay it.

[Cecily]

No. It's ok to nerf epics MQ because it was a game breaking feature that needed to be dealt with on our server. 3 out of those 4 epics you mention don't allow their effects to be used until level 50, so maybe that's an indication of what level those items were meant for? If the MQ market had been remotely similar on live to what it was here, it would have been nerfed similarly in the interest of preserving low level balance.

Originally Posted by ergo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So when they do this, do you not foresee the issue of every rogue using the same next best weapon until 46, thus making your weapon progression idea moot? I guess you already thought of that right?

Well. You see. The thing is. There isn't an easily obtainable next best weapon in Velious. There's a huge difference in supply. Rogue epics were ubiquitous, being only subject to 8 hour bottle necks, making 3 new epics per day possible and for quite a long time on this server those 3 were being made by farmers. Made it pretty damn easy to find one to buy.

"Next best" weapons in Velious are rare drops off of difficult mobs. You're not going to find one casually tunnel questing. You probably WILL find an acceptable alternative, however, and will appreciate your upgrade more when you can finally afford / find it.

You're not going to see every baby rogue in the game using a Salindrite, HoH, or Exquisite Velium Spear. Ever.