ASOIAF / Game of Thrones (SPOILERS INSIDE)

[Sirken]

Originally Posted by AenorVZ [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I can't believe we just got accused of rethinking ice with our dicks.

lol, i didnt mean to sound like that at all. i just think that the show has built dany up to seem way more important than i felt the book made her seem. part of me has always felt dany was the ultimate red herring. other parts think she'll give up her own life in a fashion that saves everyone else. i just dont ever see her sitting the iron throne.

one thing the show has done that i dont think was in the book, was showing the throne room of Kings Landing, essentially destroyed by 'winter'. im not saying KL will be ultimately destroyed, but i am saying i could see it. since the dragon has 3 heads, why can't westeros? give dorne, the reach, dragonstone, and the area around KL to Aegon or Dany. north of KL up to the twins (including the eerie, harrenhall, riverlands, westerlands, etc), and every thing north of that to Jon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Sirken]

Originally Posted by AenorVZ [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Also, Coldhands is not Benjen.
http://i.imgur.com/FfI1goA.jpg

also because of what Leaf says to Bran in book 5, "They killed him long ago." implying Coldhands has been around a long time, since the CotF live much much longer than human beings.

[Villide]

Originally Posted by holahouze [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

TOTH survey says you're on to something re pink letter:

2. Who wrote the Pink Letter?

The author of the Pink Letter remains hotly contested both internally and across the spectrum. Replies tended to divide between Mance Rayder and Ramsay Bolton.

Surprised so many voted for Stannis Baratheon. Seems that's something that would violate his moral code to a high degree. Would Ned Stark have written something like that?

[Sirken]

Originally Posted by Villide [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Surprised so many voted for Stannis Baratheon. Seems that's something that would violate his moral code to a high degree. Would Ned Stark have written something like that?

Ned is super dead. head chopped off, skin removed, bones in a box, dead.

https://youtu.be/jwcuRwod0Xg?list=PL...M3MzuU6TT84SpI

watch those. thats why im convinced mance wrote it

[Villide]

Originally Posted by Sirken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ned is super dead. head chopped off, skin removed, bones in a box, dead.

https://youtu.be/jwcuRwod0Xg?list=PL...M3MzuU6TT84SpI

watch those. thats why im convinced mance wrote it

What??? Ned is dead?

LOL, just comparing the honor of both men. I could no more see Stannis writing (or approving the writing of) something like that as Ned Stark doing it.

And I'm in agreement with you on Mance.

[holahouze]

Originally Posted by Villide [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Surprised so many voted for Stannis Baratheon. Seems that's something that would violate his moral code to a high degree. Would Ned Stark have written something like that?

There are a few hard hitting nerd threads out there that debate the pink letter. Stannis fans tend to rely on squeezing winterfell & Ramsay knowledge out of Theon + his knowledge of goings on at the Wall. Motivations swing between gaining support from Ned's son, uniting north, a fair warning, etc.

And, Stannis moral code is often brought up as a reason against him being the writer. Can't see how he could stoop to a Pink Letter trickeration. I don't know. I think his moral compass is pretty hosed up.

[Sirken]

Originally Posted by Villide [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What??? Ned is dead?

LOL, just comparing the honor of both men. I could no more see Stannis writing (or approving the writing of) something like that as Ned Stark doing it.

And I'm in agreement with you on Mance.

i could maybe see Stannis writing it, but the problems are Stannis wouldnt talk to Jon that way (ie: like a piece of shit), and Stannis wouldnt demand "Arya" back.

its either Ramsay telling the truth, or, it's Mance [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]


ps- also, Stannis isnt on Ned's level of honor. Stannis used blood magic to murder his little brother, Stannis turned his back on his Gods, Stannis was literally willing to do anything for the throne.
Whereas Eddard Stark would never give up his honor in exchange to sit on an uncomfy iron chair.

[Sirken]

Originally Posted by holahouze [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There are a few hard hitting nerd threads out there that debate the pink letter. Stannis fans tend to rely on squeezing winterfell & Ramsay knowledge out of Theon + his knowledge of goings on at the Wall. Motivations swing between gaining support from Ned's son, uniting north, a fair warning, etc.

And, Stannis moral code is often brought up as a reason against him being the writer. Can't see how he could stoop to a Pink Letter trickeration. I don't know. I think his moral compass is pretty hosed up.

again, stannis wouldnt have ever demanded arya away from jon. if anything stannis would try to recruit the wildings and try to use Jon to rally the worth. Stannis doesnt need king's blood because he doesnt have Mel with him anyway (as she was left at the wall).

[holahouze]

Originally Posted by Sirken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

again, stannis wouldnt have ever demanded arya away from jon. if anything stannis would try to recruit the wildings and try to use Jon to rally the worth. Stannis doesnt need king's blood because he doesnt have Mel with him anyway (as she was left at the wall).

I struggle understanding the motivations for the Pink Letter from all 3 of the primary suspects. So, I'm certainly not defending the Stannis theories. I'll just say, you have to accept that Stannis was capable of a level of creative deception to ape or mimic Ramsay. A ruse he uses to get what he wants. Not my favorite theory.

And somehow, I don't think Ramsay would resort to a snarky letter of insult to get fArya and Reek back. Much less send the letter without some spearwife skin.

That's leaves Mance. Not sure what his endgame is, but all he needs is ink, quill, paper, and a raven that knows its way to CB.

And i totally agree with you, Stannis is not in Ned's league in terms of honor. He scoffs at Ned's honor code. Stannis is something else. A justice fanatic or something of the sort, who would abandon honor and principles to achieve what he believes is just.

[wts]

Originally Posted by Sirken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

since the dragon has 3 heads, why can't westeros? give dorne, the reach, dragonstone, and the area around KL to Aegon or Dany. north of KL up to the twins (including the eerie, harrenhall, riverlands, westerlands, etc), and every thing north of that to Jon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You just wrapped that up and put a bow on it. George needs to hire you.