Munich Mall Shooting -

[Domo]

Guns dont kill people, people kill guns. I agree.
But guns make it very easy for people to kill people.

About your "car accident" example; compared to guns, the primary function of a cars is to bring people from A to B. the primary function of guns is to hurt your target.

[Jarnauga]

you can kill someone with a car, yes.. or with a 20 tons truck too, yes. But it's not the primary objective of a car, or a truck. The advantage you get from a car is far bigger than the danger of someone that might use it as a weapon. And that goes without saying that the use of a car is heavily reglemented: you have to get a license, you have to follow lots of road rules, speed limit, belt, maintenance of the car.. it's actually funny that there's more reglementation on acquiring a car than on getting a weapon in the us.

The only goal of a firearm is to kill, period. You can try to prettify by saying "defend myself" instead of kill, but that's exactly the same thing. What i find crazy is you all already accept limitations to that right: why can't you carry a weapon on a flight in the usa ? guess what: for safety. That said i'm sure i'm gonna find someone who thinks everyone would be safer if everyone would have guns in an airplane [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[barrettdc1]

Originally Posted by Jarnauga [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

you can kill someone with a car, yes.. or with a 20 tons truck too, yes. But it's not the primary objective of a car, or a truck. The advantage you get from a car is far bigger than the danger of someone that might use it as a weapon. And that goes without saying that the use of a car is heavily reglemented: you have to get a license, you have to follow lots of road rules, speed limit, belt, maintenance of the car.. it's actually funny that there's more reglementation on acquiring a car than on getting a weapon in the us.

The only goal of a firearm is to kill, period. You can try to prettify by saying "defend myself" instead of kill, but that's exactly the same thing. What i find crazy is you all already accept limitations to that right: why can't you carry a weapon on a flight in the usa ? guess what: for safety. That said i'm sure i'm gonna find someone who thinks everyone would be safer if everyone would have guns in an airplane [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You're a fucking moron. That's all.

[barrettdc1]

It's ok my friend. When the end comes, and you are cowering in fear behind your shield of acceptance and love, know this. Us with our wall of guns and our sense of "gee, didn't see this fucking coming....not!' will laugh as you beg us for protection.

[Tecmos Deception]

Originally Posted by Jarnauga [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The only goal of a firearm is to kill, period. You can try to prettify by saying "defend myself" instead of kill, but that's exactly the same thing

Not raised around guns, were you?

This is the kind of ignorance of firearms I was talking about. People who don't understand them sometimes like to think they do, and they draw conclusions based on ignorance... which doesn't turn out well.


Firearms are not purely designed to kill. Read any decent article or book about self-defense with firearms and you'll note that it is hammered on again and again that the objective is to stop the attacker, not to kill the attacker. Sometimes stopping them means they die, sometimes (often, really... the majority of self-defense shootings don't result in a death) they don't.

Self-defense is about protecting yourself. When the attacker stops, you're good.

If people carrying for self-defense wanted to kill as the primary objective, they would use FMJ bullets to punch two holes guaranteed per shot and the guy would bleed out before any medical assistance arrived. But they don't. They use JHP bullets that dump their energy more quickly and induce trauma quickly to bring about a rapid stop to the conflict... but that are actually less likely to kill the target.

[Tecmos Deception]

Originally Posted by Jarnauga [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What i find crazy is you all already accept limitations to that right: why can't you carry a weapon on a flight in the usa ? guess what: for safety. That said i'm sure i'm gonna find someone who thinks everyone would be safer if everyone would have guns in an airplane [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is total BS here, man. If you want to try to have a meaningful discussion about it you can't say stuff like "well since a law exists that means every person in the country must like it" or "Tecmos doesn't think all guns should be banned therefore he must think everyone in the country should carry every day."

[Jorgam]

Originally Posted by Jarnauga [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The only goal of a firearm is to kill, period. You can try to prettify by saying "defend myself" instead of kill, but that's exactly the same thing.

So how do you feel about the term Pro-Choice vs Kill your unborn child?

[barrettdc1]

Me and Azzar are gonna be running the country when shit hits the fan. Need one more for a 3 Kings type situation. Who's in?

[Nihilist_santa]

Originally Posted by barrettdc1 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Me and Azzar are gonna be running the country when shit hits the fan. Need one more for a 3 Kings type situation. Who's in?

Count me in FAM ill be a kang.

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[AzzarTheGod]

Originally Posted by Nihilist_santa [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Count me in FAM ill be a kang.

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Lets take it back then

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWzPM2GJQ6w